People don’t see what we’re dealing with behind the scenes.

As a chairman of the United Bitcoin companies the Netherlands (VBNL) a lot is happening. In the last few months we had serious issues with the bank that facilitates most on/off ramping for exchanges in the Netherlands.

In January a large part of the bitcoin exchanges received a cost increase from €499,- to €4999,- per month for their bank account. In April they received a letter that the companies had until 10th of June to move their funds and operation to another bank. The bank accounts were going to be closed down.

The issue is that many exchanges have built extensive API’s for smooth on/off ramping with this bank. So this was a move that caused a lot of stress for many people. Communication with the bank was impossible. So every individual company took them to court. Only one case was actually brought into the court room and the company won. The other companies received a message they could hold their bank account.

The insane cost increase is still there and creeping further through the list of bitcoin companies.

We’re now looking at a way to reduce the cost, because for small companies it means bankruptcy.

This we do as companies together. And VBNL has been doing this for over a decade now.

For now it’s a bank, and on 10th of September we’re facing an even larger cost issue. The Dutch central bank. We won the court case with 11 exchanges but off course they appealed and now we’ll be standing at the Supreme Court. The central bank has burdened the exchanges with millions of regulatory oversight cost that were not lawful. A win during this court case would not only drop the cost for the exchanges between 2020-2024 but most likely also impact future cost under MICAR and the Authority of financial Markets. We’re currently looking at a €5.6 million cost from just AFM for the ongoing regulatory oversight for MICAR in 2025. Wish us luck.

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Man that's crazy. catch the game last night?

And many were trying to convince us MiCA would be a net benefit….

Wow, stressful. Bastards

Did bunq ever stated why they wanted to ditch crypto companies or why the increased the pricing?

I'm mean; are the being pressured or are they scared for government interference or anything?

“After careful consideration, bunq has decided to change the commercial terms towards crypto companies. The high risk profile of parties active in this sector no longer fits the risk that bunq is prepared to and is reasonably willing to take at the current pricing.

Companies in your sector inherently pose higher operational, legal and reputational risks for bunq compared to banking services to companies from other sectors. This has led to a change in our T&C's. Please find our updated terms and conditions attached to this email.

In the amended T&C's and Annex 1, the monthly fees are adjusted for companies with an average deposit balance of less than €2,000,000 held with us in the previous quarter. Since your group has been below this average deposit's amount, this change will affect our relationship with you. This means that the monthly account maintenance fees for bunq's Crypto Desk will amount to €4,999.

Kindly be aware that these adjustments will be implemented starting from 31th March 2024.

Please note that if you continue to use our services after that date, you will be accepting the modified terms and conditions.”

weren't there also plans to tax unrealised gains in Holland that got overthrown?

It’s still in the planning. But we already had unrealized gains taxed. And that just got killed by court. So a lot of people are able to buy bitcoin soon as billions are coming back to the hodlers that were taxed over the past few years 🔥

of all the taxes , unrealised gains has to be one of the most outrageous and disgusting. every time I meet someone from the Netherlands they tell me how bad the tax is there lol

It’s good to hear about what’s going on other than USA thanks to nostr:npub14mcddvsjsflnhgw7vxykz0ndfqj0rq04v7cjq5nnc95ftld0pv3shcfrlx we sometimes hear about UK but it’s annoying to hear this from Netherlands. For some reason in my mind Netherlands always supposed to be the poster boy for Proof of Work. Especially if it makes the trade channels available for everyone. But government and big corporations doesn’t hold the culture of the nation I guess.

I’m in parliament on Tuesday discussing exactly this.

How did it go?

That is a great question. It was clear that the people I spoke with are still far away from understanding bitcoin. They wanted to plan a roundtable discussion to increase the level of knowledge in parliament. There currently is no broad support for that yet. We will await broader support.

There are millions of “fronts” that people trying to push to broaden the borders of understanding Bitcoin among people. It’s great to see almost like an harmony between decentralized movement of people. I guess they call it incentives but I tend to see something greater in this than just that. It’s incentives aligned with believes. There is almost something meta that a decentralized thing cause this kind of decentralized movements. I can’t help it to make me believe that we’re going to win. That being said I failed to make my closest friends invent in Bitcoin meanwhile they already invested another friend’s NFT project with their etherium which looks practically dead now. (Although I didn’t understand Bitcoin at that time so I also did that 🤦🏻‍♂️)

We've been trying to get a bank account for a new Stichting for over a year now. Every single bank left us hanging for months on end until they suddenly got back to us with a rejection, but never stating their reasoning. And I'm not even angry at the banks per se, but mostly at the government for threatening them with heavy fines for not doing the required pre-crime policing in a way that leaves zero work for actual law enforcement.

The only reason govt has power is because it has monopoly over money. And they don’t want to lose this. If the power of money comes back to the people, the govt and all institutions will be held accountable for everything. I hope this get solved.