GM!

Let me preface this with an "I do love nostr, but"

One of the greatest tricks the Devils ever played was to leave twitter and urge their followers to do the same and join their exclusively built echo chamber. So now they are the top of the bunch influencers here without much competition and if there is competition, they can decide if they even want to let their accounts grow by endorsing or not endorsing their posts. Add primal as the preferred on ramp which can virtually decide about users follower count, and it starts to look like the whole thing might just be centralized around a single source of funding, which is not jack. Many of those top of the line influencers are conveniently on primals autofollow list and board members at the source of funding at the same time.

If you look at really big youtubers, this is usually their modus operandi, get people to follow them into their own custom built echo chamber. Great way to spread their message without risking to be challenged by critical entities.

Am I paranoid, yes.

Are you too gullible? Probably also yes.

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Support the direction of decentralized socials. Are you right, most likely. But being able to zap might become a big game changer. You might get a Nostr profile, because when it catches on, it actually is a great gateway to truly use internet money for socials.

Took both Damus purple for nostr:npub1qvwdl9rp7a5ghrxv57wnml5ehg2whjh708vys6kaxpkgu0z3aclsuy2h4p and primal legend for my personal profile. I do believe this network has sufficient freedom to be used in the proper way. An easy gateway into it through more centralized platforms is exactly how bitcoin works currently.

People use an exchange. They don’t buy a node, a hardware wallet and do a peer to peer transfer. They need a gateway. Primal, Damus etc will be the gateway. And if we don’t meet people where they are, the number of us will simply decline. The amazing technology of bitcoin micropayments needs to be spread far and wide. Supporting platforms that make it accessible easily is key, for now.

The only sane thing to do is to use both until there is a clear winner or one of them stops working, both have their own pros and cons, but I'd rather not limit myself to a single source of information. No idea what Damus Purple and Primal Legend are, tbh, not an Iphone user and still on amethyst, but it sounds like some premium "pay2win" profile boost?

Purple isn't pay2win just the "testflight" version and support for will and his contributors

It’s more to support development.

"I also love nostr, but..."

I agree with most of what you said. Essentially trading in a 'walled garden' for a 'freedom walled garden' was how I initially saw nostr. Now, I can see how a lot of 'other stuff' is being built out, and as it develops, it seems to be much more than a twitter experience. I still recoil from the 'on brand, on message' influencers you speak of ...

My tip is not to use Primal. Yeah, it may be great for onboarding, but there are other apps available.

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Oh .. and gm 🤙🏼

GM! :D

I tried primal, but honestly prefer amethyst because I'm used to it and it works fairly well for me.

How do you bootstrap something? I mean your arguments against the people and organizations I assume you mean, are wrong when applied to Bitcoin and they are not less wrong when applied to nostr. There has to be a critical mass behind an idea and those people you criticize are doing the best they can to bring nostr, Bitcoin and open source development in general to success.

Primal might seem centralized but it makes it easy to board normies and non Bitcoiners. They stay, the learn and may be they switch to other clients.

You're being gullible. To the people who are at the top of primal trending every fucking day without contributing any value, "nostr being successful" means censorship and gaslighting. If you're more like me, where you think "nostr being successful" means censorship resistance and decentralization, then you have to see through it.

Nostr is going to be censorship resistant and decentralized not matter how „successful“ primal will be in the future. Primal being Primal you criticize is 100% better than the bird app or any other social network.

You forgot the words "present day" or "current" or something.

"Any other present day social network"

Nostr still hasn't caught up to the decentralization resistance of Aaron Swartz era reddit, because nostr is only half decentralized and the user base is still half dead

Critical thinking is wrong?

That’s the whole purpose of nostr 👍🏽

I'm not too gullible, I keep calling the fuckers out on their bullshit

Fuck the fucking fuckers!

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Damnit! What do we do till the self-custodial Nostr options like nostr:npub1wyuh3scfgzqmxn709a2fzuemps389rxnk7nfgege6s847zze3tuqfl87ez become easier for normies to use?

I need options but I also can’t help every single person spin up their own nsec/npub 🤦🏽‍♂️

It's a protocol man.

Twitter is toxic crap.

Own your feed.

Yes, there are these few individuals with many followers, but I see that there are many people with lots of followers who didn’t bring their followers from X, and they also make it onto the primal follower lists. There’s a chance here too to gain followers in many ways, both in more ethical and less ethical ways.

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Nostr is less about a popularity contest and more about a no algorithm timeline and self sovereign ownership of your posts. Don’t want to see the popular posts, don’t go to those apps, use real nostr apps like nostr:npub1wyuh3scfgzqmxn709a2fzuemps389rxnk7nfgege6s847zze3tuqfl87ez or nostr:npub1n0stur7q092gyverzc2wfc00e8egkrdnnqq3alhv7p072u89m5es5mk6h0 that don’t run off of centralized servers.

Do you run your own relay yet?

I’m more concerned about the bitcoin cult than Jack. Jack is literally just one guy. But you can’t breathe on this protocol without someone saying “21 million!!!!”

Ultimately we just need a massive leftist infiltration on Nostr. Thank you nostr:npub1pu3vqm4vzqpxsnhuc684dp2qaq6z69sf65yte4p39spcucv5lzmqswtfch for at least trying to encourage that. I know it’s a massive uphill battle since the demographics are already set in stone here.

Having more diversity on Nostr is one of my personal dreams, but yes, it seems like a massive uphill battle.

Be skeptical of anyone pushing you a Nostr client in which they have financial interest.

When someone says "easiest way to get into Nostr is to use Primal" my eyes roll so hard. That’s the easiest way to get your identity on Nostr fucked.

And as a user that popped over from tradSoc and spun up with several iOS clients to see what this beast was, Primal was the easiest/smoothest/best UX for onboarding and cleanest UI. There are features on the others that I want added, and I don’t like that the content may be limited, but from a raw UX perspective primal did it for me.

How does it fuck one’s identity?

I take that back. Primal has changed a lot since I last used it. My sincere apologies 🙏

It offers an almost flawless experience, which is why so many are using it. But it's also a very data hungry client and the autofollow feature should not exist.

This is probably true, but it just reveals that this is the level most users are functioning on.

We can give them full control of the information they consume, but that doesn't mean that they'll use it to consume more diverse or higher-quality content.

Nostr is like the Internet. The Internet made some people smarter, but most people dumber.

I'd love to agree with this but can't. They'll consume whatever all the people posted who are autofollowed by every new primal user. This wasn't the case with the early internet. The fact that not even twitter forces autofollows is also kind of telling.

True.