in your opinion,
what are nostr’s sacred cows?
what are the topics you’re not supposed to bring up? what are the things or people you’re never supposed to criticize?
Discussion
Bitcoin is a revolution or will lead to a revolution.
Don’t criticize Austrian Economics 😂
Well, seems like most are annoyingly maxis and won't even entertain usage of utility coins like Monero or filecoin or anything.
Seems like politically it's pretty varied, but I doubt (and hope) pedos would find a community here.
I do wish we had more actual Nazis and commies.
Criticism of open sats seems to get a lot of backlash
i heard that this is a church of bitcoin. any negative feedback about bitcoin is probably heresy here.
in any large social group, they have lords. whoever criticizes these words them will get ostracized.
The opaque VC bro culture around opensats.
Cashu and Ecash is trash.
Maintaining code isn't sexy.
Infrastructure isn't sexy.
CDNs using centralized CSAM scanning isn't a problem.
Fiatjaf has only had, basically, one good idea that's been implemented decently enough.
Nostr dev on github is fine.
Telling people not to worry about the costs of all of this, lulling people into a false sense of entitlement.
Just set up your relays, bro.
Maybe these are just my being petty, but my goal is to avoid them at all costs in my own work:
You can't trust code with no tests (almost all of Nostr).
You can't trust devs who look down on testing (almost all devs).
Putting devs on a pedestal encourages them to put their ego ahead of their users.
VC funding and grants are ensuring we only recreate fiat products but with Nostr events and zaps to attract new users.
AI generated code is generally unmaintainable and will rot with time. No one is going to come behind you up to clean up your messes, no matter how fun it is for you to make them.
We're not exactly early and on the frontier anymore. It's been 3 years and devs still act like children in a sandbox.
Web of Trust based on follow lists is too fragile to be effective.
It's not a feature, it's a bug.
"Go Fast and Break Things" will end up breaking Nostr and losing the trust of it's users.
interesting. these all just sound like common sense.
I know right?
But I've been here for 2 years and haven't seen a whole lot of it. Just a clique of devs and their worshippers practicing FAFO and calling it building.
dont you think thats just immaturity though?
its very much a “im in my early 20s and my brain isn’t fully developed yet” bro kind of behavior
I think if you work with your head up in the clouds of pure software your whole career, you don't outgrow that. Like how fiat bankers and economists live in the fiat matrix where anything is possible if you just print more money, but with code.
My software experience was always tied to physical systems, so I didn't have that luxury. I had to make sure I didn't destroy critical industrial equipment with bad code, and that's pretty humbling.
Totally felt that. I'm from a critical systems background, including automotive, banking, and medical, and the widespread habit of delivering prototypes makes me want to claw my eyes out.
Everyone acts like it's funny or a joke. But it's not.
It leaves the impression that the protocol is bad, but it isn't.
even when i have already delivered the protocol as described and works with most clients for the relay side
it's so awful i need to clean it up and make a new thing
which is now officially past the beginnings as i have an openapi 3.1 UI and the essentials - publishing new events, and import/export of events
tomorrow i should have the filter done but i got mass and a philosophy discussion group to prep for and be part of
but yes... nostr protocol itself is practically still alpha, because it's stupidly messy and complicated, and even with all the things right the clients are working, not working, working, oh not working
yeah makes me want to claw my eyes out too
🫂
You have the absolute worst NIP, tho. The people implementing it barely understand what it's for.
i don't negotiate with communists, i just write good docs, a solid implementation that is hybrid with the standard protocol and it can do both things and then we just need a few client libraries
i can build WASM binaries for the web frontends also, and i have already got in mind building a simple event store that uses web browser storage, i'll just do a real simple thing along the lines of jumble and basta
Fascinating. I have known quite a few web devs in my life, and this rings really true to me. Modern SaaS doesn't give any shit about high quality software, only velocity.
I've had many occurances while working at SaaS that has made me feel like the people in that world are often disconnected from reality. So, you saying that about physical systems is very interesting to me.
Nostr content sucks. "Follow more people, zap more" says the retard in the back.
this isnt sacred cow.
this is just you being bitter. 😂
The church, Freemasonry and Sionism. You can never mention those! Fuck the church! Fuck tionism!
Literally mentioned all day every day.
that we're too small to be most normies only social media
there's TDS and in some pockets EDS
that x is actually thriving
that x is better than it was in the censorship days
that if it isn't happening on nostr it is somehow inferior
😂 I really only interact with around a dozen people. I am totally fine with that. I have always kept my friend group small.
EDS?
Yep, you got it. It's funny, he's either a saint genius or worst person on the planet. Very few can just talk about him without emotion
i think he’s weird.
his brother had an interesting project making deployable hydroponic gardens in shipping containers.
Didn't know he had a brother lol
I think he's weird and don't love his moral compass
can also acknowledge he's led some impressive feats and appreciate the relentless drive for improvement
I also want to own 0 things he's built 😂
I don’t know what really to make of him except that he is a major industrialist. And that is very rare these days in America.
same 🙂
ish
Love for Israelis is forbidden.
People with large egos. Subjects don’t matter
Michael Saylor, the constitution, and religion are the two you can’t criticize. Trump is kind of up there but less so.
*three
Trumpets come out of the woodwork sometimes 😂 I have been noticing a few more from the other side of US politics lately too.
Pretty disappointing. I thought the ride or die Bitcoiners would lean more anarchists
There all kinds in Bitcoin.
I've been on an unfollowing kick lately, trimming the gristle from my feed. This is a good metric 😎👌
A bunch of your followings are probably inactive. Last month I went through the accounts I follow and about 1/4 hadn’t posted in over a month.
I use a tool often to keep that in check 🤝 it's a good habit.
This is getting rid of stuff I don't want in my feed.
I don't understand people (sometimes big accounts who post a lot) who follow like 200 people half of whom are effectively dormant. Like what does the feed even look like?
Log in with their npub and check it out!
Have yet to try that, but plan on it for fun someday
Amethyst makes it easy 🤭
It's a good way to find new users. People I trust are the algorithm.
I wish I could follow to my nsec while logged in as another npub
If it’s a big account they probably have a lot of notifications/engagement to keep them busy. That’s my guess though 🤷♂️
What tool?
It seems to be down right now though 👀
nostr:nprofile1qqs0sgghn02adywxrdp4vvmr3zk6ms7vzvz0f8nhr2ru8r08a48aqgspzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuen0w4h8gctfdchxvmgprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrp0yh8jet8dpex7tnrdaksz9nhwden5te0dp5hxapwdehhxarj9ekxzmny9u3ffnd5
One of the tools I use the most. Probably the most
I’m confused. What is this? It won’t open on my phone
Site is down. Probably for maintenance. It shows you your inactive follows. You can set the number of months. You can connect either with a nostr extension like nostore or with your npub. With the extension, you can have it unfollow for you
Man that’s actually amazing. I did that shit manually like a retard last month. What a waste of time lmao
Seems like religion is a big one. Also Bitcoin fixes everything 🤣
Y'all haven't heard me say that the Vedanta is a thousand years older than Christianity and a thousand times better, but I don't want to start a war 😂
No war please 🤣🤣
Zaps fix everything any Nostr too. And cause no problems.
*about
It’s crazy how zaps introduced a new kind of social engineering. Where there’s money, there’s scams. Even if the money is Bitcoin
Yes, there's scams aplenty on and off Nostr. I'm 2 years in now so I'm a lot more cautious, but I lost money to a few scammy things even being Bitcoin only.
Human nature won’t change because of Bitcoin. Those who want to get some without honest work will always be here
Human nature says it all
Yes. Exactly like the podcast we were talking about yesterday. Bitcoin can’t fix that
No. It can’t
I think it will be a revolution just like the internet or any other major innovation but human nature will also find a way to turn it into a racket. In short everything will change and nothing at all will change 🤷🏻♂️ but I am open to surprises
Saylor is already paving the way for a Bitcoin bank…oh wait…we’re not supposed to talk badly about him 🤭
🙊 are we self censoring on Nostr now. 😂
I feel people are not interested in going with whatever is the best way to build the financial freedom tech stack. Only #Bitcoin + L2 solutions can be countenanced.
I feel people are not interested in going with whatever is the best way to build the financial freedom tech stack. Only #Bitcoin + L2 solutions can be countenanced on #AskNostr, it seems.
Say that you prefer likes to zapping
Everyone loves Bitcoin, but what they really mean is they love Lightning. When you mention giving the average user the ability to send and receive on-chain Bitcoin. It falls upon deaf ears. Lightning is a good feature, but then you have to tell users to either go full custodial, choose a random wallet and hope their channels don't get closed randomly, or run your own node 24/7/365. Then act like it is no big deal. If we want immediate wisdespread no bullshit adoption. If we really are bitcoiners. Then Nostr clients should give people multiple Bitcoin options. That means on-chain, lightning, and liquid.
nostr: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 mentioned putting the devs on a pedestal. Holy fuck were they right on that one. I can only think of a handful of devs who are not pompus ego maniacs. They have let their popularity go to their head. Now many clients ignore their users demands, because they feel they know better. Their products now suffer from poor quality code and a shit ton of bugs.
Do not mention that we should have the ability to mute people and then that also removes the muted persons ability to follow you back. As of right now Nostr is the holy grail of social networks for online stalkers. A social network where you can't block someones ability to follow you? It is horrifying. Especially when you consider the online and physical danger that puts the average man, woman, and child in. You try to mention this as a NIP. Developers say we have talked about it, but then do not do anything about it. Truly despicable.
The guardians of the nips. New nips are not voted on publicly. There is no open consensus mechanism. You got a small council of popular devs who think they know better. Who inhibit rapid growth and adaptation for the protocol. You have to submit a nip, hope that they are gracious enough to give a shit, and then pray that their lazy asses do something about it. Which many times. They don't do anything about it, because no one can agree. So we have a half assed protocol that barely works.
Try to mention that the Nostr NIPs are on GitHub. Which is owned and opperated by one of the world's most evil corporations. That we need to become a decentralized DAO for concensus voting. Host the NIPs on another platform. Prefereably self hosted on our own git server that is powered by zap donations. The devs go ape shit. Omg we wont get any developers to contribute code, but mom EVERYONE uses GitHub, I want to be one of the cool people. Listen kids do you even practice what you preach?!? Think about what Nostr is and what we are trying to do here. Do you really think it is ok to compromise on our morals and ethics just so we can be where the sheeple are? Run our own git server, start a dao for nip voting, throw up a mirror on GitHub if you must. That basically says you want to help then here is where our main dev git server is. Call it a fucking day.
To be quite honest I believe that the protocol is almost at a fracturing point. You have seasoned well intention highly intelligent people like nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz4mhxue69uhhgetnwsh8yetpd3ujumr0dshsz9nhwden5te0d4kx26m49eex2ctv0yhxcmmv9uq3jamnwvaz7tmpw5h8qatjwpkx2un9d3shjtnrdakj7qg7waehxw309ahx7um5wgkhqatz9emk2mrvdaexgetj9ehx2ap0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3camnwvaz7tmrdpexjum5wp5kcmpwdehhxarjxyhxxmmd9uq3kamnwvaz7tmxv4jkguewdehhxarj9e3xzmny9a6x7mneqyv8wumn8ghj7erfwfjkxar0wfuju7tpvf6jumt99uq3qamnwvaz7tm99ehx7uewd3hkctcqypxgqqjh5ky2s2zf6pyczlptm2kesje953ddnak66ehy05a50caj7l88eum nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpr3mhxue69uhkx6rjd9ehgurfd3kzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejz7qggwaehxw309uhz7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgcwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcprpmhxue69uhkg6tjv43hgmmj0yh8jctzw5hx6ef0qyw8wumn8ghj76r0v3kxymmy9e3k7unpvdkx2tn5dahkcue0qyw8wumn8ghj7cn4vd4k2apwvdhhyctrd3jjuum0vd5kzmp0qyvhwumn8ghj76rzwghxxmmjv93kcefwwdhkx6tpdshsqg8ayz8w3j8jsduq492j39hysg7vnhrtl4zzqcugj4m3q62qlkf8cyh7q06d nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpr9mhxue69uhkscnj9e3k7unpvdkx2tnnda3kjctv9uq32amnwvaz7te3xgmjuvpwxqhrzw358qmrjtcprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qyt8wumn8ghj76rfwd6zumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcpz4mhxue69uhkg6t5w3hjuur4vghhyetvv9uszxthwden5te0dp38ytnrdaexzcmvv5h8xmmrd9skctcpzemhxue69uhkzat5dqhxummnw3erztnrdakj7qgcwaehxw309ajxjun9vd6x7une9eukzcn49ekk2tcqyztuwzjyxe4x2dwpgken87tna2rdlhpd02va5cvvgrrywpddnr3jyhluxgk nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhx6mmnw3ezuur4vghsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshszxnhwden5te0v9j82mr59ccnsurvw4ejuum0vd5kzmp0qyvhwumn8ghj7ct49ec82unsd3jhyetvv9ujucm0d5hszenhwden5te0ve5kcar9wghxummnw3ezuamfdejj7mnsw43rzun5d3ckxcfcwgmxzatev9mn2m34dqekcdf5xgexgmf5wde8jdty0fnx2ef5xcunven3v5u8xdn3va6kg6mnxajx5arxwvlkyun0v9jxxctnws7hgun4v5q3vamnwvaz7tm8wfjk2mnnda6kctnnwpskxef0qythwumn8ghj7etrd35hqum99ec82c30wfjkccteqqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3g2vqg9j nostr:nprofile1qy0hwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttjv4kxz7fwv3jhyettwfhhxuewd4jj7qg6waehxw309ac8junpd45kgtnxd9shg6npvchxxmmd9uq3xamnwvaz7tmhda6zuat50phjummwv5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wfcxcetzwvhxxmmd9uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsz9nhwden5te0dehhxarjv4kxjar9wvhx7un89uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qguwaehxw309a382cmtv46zucm0wfskxmr99eek7cmfv9kz7qpq8ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqc2pylh and more who have experience and a good head on their shoulders. That are being held back and frustrated to the point where if we are not careful. We are going to be getting a hard fork sometime soon of the protocol itself. Just so we can address all of these issues. Which i have barely scratched the surface on. I am also not thinking this would be a bad thing either. Unless we get our shit together FAST.
We need to start working together to have open honest discussions. Developers need to get off of their high horses and come to the table with the common folk once again. Remember where they came from and work together to overcome our petty differences in opinion. Otherwise Nostr is not going to be around forever. It is going to stagnate even more, bleed out users, and become an anecdote in the history books of a good idea that was poorly implemented. That never got the real care and attention it deserves.
GM
#nostr
#nips
The prevailing notion that likes and follower count are favored by status seeking morons who have no concept of algorithms and heuristics is frustrating and counterproductive.
Many here claim to be interested in freedom while themselves being openly intolerant of other’s opinions.