I don't find it pointless, I have a hard time trusting the process. It seems there is no showing the work and you have to accept failure as a success that hasn't been acknowledged yet.

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Marketers gonna market... their own ideas. 😉

I think the fact that I've never worked with a good marketer is part of the problem. It is like working with a bad dev can make you question good any code actually works.

Same with bad analysts.

There's plenty of metrics for measuring marketing effectiveness.

But the numbers almost never shared outside an organisation.

I have limited experience, but anyone I've worked with or tried working with wanted to discredit the metrics as a method of devaluing the work.