not surprising calle is a fan of centralized solutions and affinity scamming. I mean he calls cashu bitcoin. Very on brand for him.
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The enduring strength of Bitcoin, I believe, lies in its foundational decentralisation, ensuring true trustlessness and censorship resistance. Any new approach must always be measured against those fundamental properties of our original design.
You can also *not* comment on things
D’oh!!
🔫 Shots fired 😳
Let everyone use what they want and learn for themselves.
Some people use Coinbase, others use DEX's.
Some people use nostr, others use Primal.
Freedom of choice
Widespread usage of CEXs choke the effectiveness of DEXs due to regulatory encroachment and KYC UTXO poisoning. We absolutely must attack centralization to preserve our freedom to choose.
People freely choose shitcoins and get scammed and lose their life savings. They should be free to do it, but others should be free to call it out.
ship better software instead of crying. you can just do things better. you're hurting your own project with this crying bitch attitude.
Yeah I don’t get the hate for cashu.. 🤔
What’s your solution?
I've explicitly called people out on this before and nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg has been specific about cashu not being Bitcoin. I remember this because I was happy someone so prominent in cashu being honest about it.
Bitcoin not cashu
Nostr not Primal
The joke here is they are both communicating on a centralised relay
Only if you use primal. You can choose relays in most clients and the client will read from them and verify they are real. Decentralization is achieved via reading from shared relays owned by different people.
If everyone uses the same 3-5 relays nostr is not decentralised and susceptible to censorship.
Users need to be encouraged to run their own relays, and clients need to help users connect to them.
yeah we’ll get there. its ok for this number of users, but we’ll definitely need full outbox at scale
I dont know you or Calle but have listened to quite some cashu / ecash podcasts over the years. Literal quote from Calle, Citadel Dispatch #120 March 2024, around the 1h35min mark: "ecash is not bitcoin, it just works with bitcoin".
That quote is part of a larger and quite nuanced answer in response to the question "Do you consider ecash a scaling solution for bitcoin". He very clearly says he does not and repeats the need to be "extremely pedantic" with these definitions several times, to prevent people from getting wrecked/rekt.
Again, I dont know him or you, but this feels like an unfair representation of what hes saying about cashu and tbh, just feels like internet fighting for the sake of internet fighting. Which I guess I'm now contributing to via this reply, but whatever.
Whats wrong with the bitcoin for Signal / iMessage thing? Why does that irk you?