Telegram quietly updates FAQ, removing:
"All Telegram chats and group chats are private amongst their participants. We do not process any requests related to them."
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Pavel Durov telegram post earlier today 
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❤️ Thanks everyone for your support and love!
Last month I got interviewed by police for 4 days after arriving in Paris. I was told I may be personally responsible for other people’s illegal use of Telegram, because the French authorities didn’t receive responses from Telegram.
This was surprising for several reasons:
1. Telegram has an official representative in the EU that accepts and replies to EU requests. Its email address has been publicly available for anyone in the EU who googles “Telegram EU address for law enforcement”.
2. The French authorities had numerous ways to reach me to request assistance. As a French citizen, I was a frequent guest at the French consulate in Dubai. A while ago, when asked, I personally helped them establish a hotline with Telegram to deal with the threat of terrorism in France.
3. If a country is unhappy with an internet service, the established practice is to start a legal action against the service itself. Using laws from the pre-smartphone era to charge a CEO with crimes committed by third parties on the platform he manages is a misguided approach. Building technology is hard enough as it is. No innovator will ever build new tools if they know they can be personally held responsible for potential abuse of those tools.
Establishing the right balance between privacy and security is not easy. You have to reconcile privacy laws with law enforcement requirements, and local laws with EU laws. You have to take into account technological limitations. As a platform, you want your processes to be consistent globally, while also ensuring they are not abused in countries with weak rule of law. We’ve been committed to engaging with regulators to find the right balance. Yes, we stand by our principles: our experience is shaped by our mission to protect our users in authoritarian regimes. But we’ve always been open to dialogue.
Sometimes we can’t agree with a country’s regulator on the right balance between privacy and security. In those cases, we are ready to leave that country. We've done it many times. When Russia demanded we hand over “encryption keys” to enable surveillance, we refused — and Telegram got banned in Russia. When Iran demanded we block channels of peaceful protesters, we refused — and Telegram got banned in Iran. We are prepared to leave markets that aren’t compatible with our principles, because we are not doing this for money. We are driven by the intention to bring good and defend the basic rights of people, particularly in places where these rights are violated.
All of that does not mean Telegram is perfect. Even the fact that authorities could be confused by where to send requests is something that we should improve. But the claims in some media that Telegram is some sort of anarchic paradise are absolutely untrue. We take down millions of harmful posts and channels every day. We publish daily transparency reports (like this or this ). We have direct hotlines with NGOs to process urgent moderation requests faster.
However, we hear voices saying that it’s not enough. Telegram’s abrupt increase in user count to 950M caused growing pains that made it easier for criminals to abuse our platform. That’s why I made it my personal goal to ensure we significantly improve things in this regard. We’ve already started that process internally, and I will share more details on our progress with you very soon.
I hope that the events of August will result in making Telegram — and the social networking industry as a whole — safer and stronger. Thanks again for your love and memes 🙏
That was always a bullshit claim, no?
Since group chats were never claimed to be e2ee.
Yea but they often declined government requests. Seems like now they will bend over backwards for them.
Sure, he bought himself his freedom again.
It will probably go away quietly now.
kinda ironic basically just conceding that they don't make any effort to protect the privacy of group chats tho, it's gonna impact their userbase... probably more people leave without that guarantee, i'm sure maybe 5-10% of telegram users care about this... one of my friends already moved to Session a few months back because the red flags were piling up on telegram
You should get anyone you know to get a npub. It's getting more and more obvious by the day! #grownostr
What if the whole “intent” behind this whole thing is to drive people away from using telegram, and trusting it as a platform?
Undermine public trust…
What if they can’t read messages on there.
So they undermine people trust in it, driving them towards platforms they can monitor…
That’s just a conspiracy theory tho… however if you think about it, doesn’t it make sense?
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Some other social network that shall be nameless (let’s call it network x) is reporting this sentence has simply moved to a more relevant place.
https://telegram.org/faq?setln=en#q-a-bot-or-channel-is-infringing-on-my-copyright-what-do-i-do
Good pickup did not see that thanks
Simplex is the only private chat, all others are fake.
They've banned themselves from half the planet. At this point I'm sure they do care a bit about being banned.
Surprise!
Telegram was never private.
I have a growing list of concerns with Telegram, but let's strive to be fair & balanced in our reporting. In the main, this change looks to be part of a broader reorganization of the FAQ to incorporate more EU-specific citations. As others have pointed out, the phrase in question is still present; it's just been moved to a different heading.
https://telegram.org/faq#q-there-39s-illegal-content-on-telegram-how-do-i-take-it-down
Good pickup. I did not see that, thanks
GM, from wss://relay.primal.net
Good time to push full decentralized solution with protected people ids ?
That's messed up. But its not like I ever trusted telegram anyway
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Sempre avisei que Telegrama Ă© SCAM.
NĂŁo entendo tanta gente naquela porcaria.
Its almost if "Trusted Third Parties are Security Holes"
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/trusted-third-parties/
Got to love companies that create a monopoly for their service and then update their terms of service that would keep most of their users away from their product. How is this legal or moral?
Censorship resistance is hard
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Concerning, But I never used it anyway
Pavel has bended the knee.
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Trusting Telegram is like trusting a cop.
signal is the best everyday simple messaging app.
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For the FBI/MI5/CIA agents monitoring this telegram channel, i declare that i have no idea how i got here. Probably through forced invite. I do not condone with or encourage of any illegal activities carried out within this channel. Illegal activities are frowned upon and are not endorsed by anyone in this channel.
CoincidĂŞncia? Acho que nĂŁo....
What a joke
Ya estoy en nostr:npub1tm99pgz2lth724jeld6gzz6zv48zy6xp4n9xu5uqrwvx9km54qaqkkxn72 y me parece genial
Acredito que o Telegram esteja com os dias contados para os brasileiros que buscam privacidade.
A gente está assistindo a ofensiva dos estados contra a privacidade dos seus respectivos cidadãos. Brasil não vai ser uma exceção.