the client doesn’t verify notes or read from relays. It is just a lite client that talks a proprietary api to their caching server. That server controls everything you see and could ban people and you wouldn’t know it. It’s against the entire ethos of nostr where users control what they see
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i didn't know that about nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg
so all those relays are just "decorative" ?
only caching service matters ?
I wonder if you can have no caching service and see what happens.
Just set the URL to wss://example.com and watch it break
Yeah its mostly performative to make it seem like they are decentralized. They should label it “write relays” to be less scammy. Assuming they actually write to them…. If not then it’s super scammy.
It just won’t work. Because you can’t use Nostr outside of their walled garden. Try it.
I agree such features are against the ethos. Yet Nostr remains decentralized and no client/platform can permanently change that.
yes, but raising awareness of this is important so that it stays this way
I actually didn't even know that until right now. I've been here for years, although hardly as a Primal user (occasional testing to see what they're up to - like this week). Highlighting the pros and cons for alternatives is important and people should do the same with Damus or any other client.
But I haven't verified this, to be clear. I just haven't heard it before now. We should also verify.
Oh fuck is this true? Goddammit I love Primal UX, but if this is how it actually works, I might as well go back to that centralized shithole that is Twitter.
Back to Amethyst I guess
You could connect to other caching services tho right? The caching definitely makes the experience better.
it really doesn’t. damus android/notedeck has an embedded caching relay that does the same thing and is way faster
Is this really true? If I open up the network tab I can see it's talking to a bunch of relays. 
they only read from their caching relay
Thanks for this. I think this probably explains why I've been so damn frustrated with nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg for the last month or so.
Since basically everything on NOSTR is broken, I have to use multiple clients so I've been using Damus, Primal, and others. That said, I had been using primal.net as my primary client for a while but I just was told about jumble.social and so far the experience has been MUCH smoother on jumble.
Caveat, jumble.social lacks certain features but at least the features it does have are working properly. I actually see posts when they are posted. The like and repost buttons actually work consistently. It's great except for the missing features e.g DMs.