It's kind of obvious at this point that most jobs can be automated with the current, publicly available, scuffed AI.

If you've worked in an office building, in a relatively big company, it's kind of evident that most people don't do much, if anything.

Probably a third could take a week off and it wouldn't impact the business in any way.

The question is what are these people going to do once their companies have to lay them off to be competitive with fully automated companies.

The obvious answer is that they'll want to be saved by Big Daddy Government with Universal Basic Income.

Governments are very threatened when the people are free and independent.

Of course in a UBI society, the people are not free or independent, but they still have way too much time on their hands.

If you're the government, you'll essentially want to turn the people into Zombies.

Kind of makes you wonder if all these Zombie TV shows were a big predictive programming campaign.

Governments just wouldn't last in a society where the people didn't have to work for the majority of their waking hours, even with UBI.

So they'd need wars, "natural" disasters, pandemics, mass surveilance and very strict control guidelines.

In other words, we'll be going back to full on communism, at that, in a time when governments can control everyone and everything with very advanced technology (Palantir anybody?).

Aldous Huxley was right again: 'Men do not learn much from the lessons of history and that is the most important of all the lessons of history.'

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On point. We will likely never anticipate the order in which their scam plays out, but the ultimate outcome is predictable to a large extent solely from recognising patterns and coordination.

I think governments will all lose importance in the future, it's just inevitable. That's the direction.

UBI and also direct democracy be the only two great innovations in States everywhere. And UBI is fundamental.

I'm a libertarian, nothing would bring more joy than to live in a stateless society nonethless realistically speaking I think UBI is the most important tool that a libertarian, free market advocate has to solve the transitional problem of a very Statist and polarized society, to a freer one.

UBI basically erradicates the only weapon socialist, social democrats have, the directed printer. UBI makes the printer available **equally** to everyone.

It basically has the potential to replace ALL the welfare state.

Imagine a UBI that replaces all welfare states, healthcare, education. Just one single UBI, taken from taxes, and the free market creating everything else.

That for me is probably the best model we can get.

I don't know mate, I find it hard to believe that governments will lose importance when they have everyone on their payroll and people's needs depend on magic government money.

Direct democracy means mob rule aka information wars, but it's still better than what we have now.

I also don't know how "UBI makes the printer available **equally** to everyone. ".

UBI is just play pretend world, where the money is even more fake than we have now, however, the UBI money will be much more programmable.

I find it hard to believe that UBI doesn't progress into CBDC, but your take is more optimistic.

I think governments wouldn't lose importance per se, but politics would. Governments would be more of a logistic layer, simple taking care of UBI redistribution.

Because the real battle today is who controls the printer direction. If the printer is directed to everyone **equally** the political battle loses importance.

This is why I think UBI is the greatest weapon against socialist and social-democrats, whom I'm personally NOT a fan of at all. Simple because they destroy all reality and genuine production that people do in the free market.

The moment you teach people that they can have a UBI, is the moment you remove power from all Government baiters. Race baiters, socialist, social democrats, greens, etc, etc. All the government lobbies we know in the world.

If we create a Dividend that cuts from Government and redirects that money to the UBI, that's a way to get the people on our side. If we get the people on our side, we win this "democratic" game.

What you say is achieved using UBI is actually achieved with productivity growth, money that can't be manipulated (Bitcoin) and deflation without involving governments.

In my eyes there is no battle in regards to who controls the money printers as the same people have always controlled the printers.

Democrats, republicans, greens are just a distraction as they are players in the same script - an illusion for an alternative.

You can't "cut from Government" unless you reject the fake money that your government can print out of thin air, infinitely.

To get the people on our side, we have to show them a World of abundance where 1 person invents a better, cheaper, faster way of doing something and this productivity boost flows to everyone.

Any other alternative means that you constantly inflate fake, imaginary money and steal the productivity growth, keeping the people in slavery mode.

Sure, absolutely agree. Why not both worlds though? Even Saylor is thinking about this I think. He said in another podcast, "there will be two types of people, the ones that own Bitcoin and the ones that will get some Bitcoin from cleverly constructed redistribution nation-state systems." Now, he didn't say UBI, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually thinks its the way to go.

Saylor is pretty libertarian and sharp as an arrow as you know, and he has proved to be the master at getting out of the box.

Because I absolutely agree with you, that's my kind of world, a voluntaryist world where all relationships are voluntary. The question really is, do you think people are culturally heading in that direction? I think people are so dependent on government (but like really dependent... it's incredible) that we simply can't move to that free market world without a transitional model, which I think the UBI fits perfectly.

I think it will be both worlds, in that there will be small Bitcoin communities where everything becomes cheaper year after year, and large UBI communities where everything becomes more expensive.

It all comes down to - you can't de-fund and limit a government by accepting the money that the government can print out of thin air.

You can never have abundance in a UBI society where the government sends everyone fake money and everyone can afford everything while the governments inflates the debt away.

You can however move towards abundance in a Bitcoin society where the current inflation is very low and keeps getting lower every 4 years, where all of productivity flows to everyone.

Governments will of course use this to vilify Bitcoiners and paint them as evil and greedy.

It will be the have nots (UBI slaves) vs the haves (Bitcoiners, business owners, etc) + critical thinkers who know how the communist story ends.

"A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw (1944)

If I were you, I'd listen to more Jeff Booth and less Saylor.

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…good stuff!!

….while these ideas should be debated they need to be a bigger part of the public dialogue (not just in BTC circles)… cuz there is a high probability u r spot on (imho🤷🏽‍♂️)🫡

There is no way you read all that text above

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Reading this thread thanks to you. It's long and I get distracted often, but it is indeed good

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Marxists are already talking about seizing and redistributing Bitcoin, and government owning AI production, and equally redistributing the results of AI production, instead of focising on using AI to strengthen unalienable rights and individual free agency.

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Leftism is a sad, sad, state of mind that thinks government is the savior of mankind. If anything is taking on the role the Antichrist, it is Socialist / Communist governments.

Thanks mate 🫡

Would definitely be useful to debate these things in wider circles but I suspect that once shit starts going down, fear will overtake logic like every other time.

You can still convert some people though.

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…hope to see ur voice keep ringing like a bell…imo these are important concepts…and u do a great job of framing them🌅

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Thanks mate, I've intentionally not added my wallet, but the intent is very much appreciated!

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Yeah I agree and understand completely. I'm pretty sure we're going to have 10x the countries by the end of the century, due to these new tools.

I definitely see what you're seeing, heck I'm even creating a project for that at https://freevillages.org/ for that precisely, but I do think that in the old schol / current nation state games, there will be movements in the UBI direction if of course that nation state wants to maintain some sort of stability. Otherwise it's just going to be division, and that's where I think new nation states will be formed, in that instability.

But definitely new nation states will be formed. It's not going to be easy but it's going to be very important.

We already live in a Bitcoin world, it's the network that matters, not the country. You and me already live in Jeff Booth's world. The question is how to get real political power (nation-state) and have relationships with the rest of the world.

For a libertarian you ignore rule #1 of economics: people chasing limited resources that have alternative uses. UBI violates both axioms, meaning it’s unsustainable over the long run. And by the way the welfare system ignores them too, that’s why it’s on its last legs before hyperinflation wipes everyone’s liabilities.

The currant system is based on consumption.

AI is not a consumer of the goods, that it is driving the price of prodctn down.

As soon as ppl can't afford the product, the top % will terminate us all. You get left with the final boss and his AI.

Let's say we got only Willie Gaytes left. He'd probably keep only a teen cloning facility on lolita island. LOL

Well yes if the low quality of work that we have witnessed in the last years, probably AI can do the same. If you expect an higher level of services as we were used to years ago, then no, AI is not going to do the same work as people

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Andrew Yang here.

Basically every UBI enthusiast ever: "The people gave governments too much power, so governments robbed them of their time, money and productivity growth with inflation and taxation. We need to give total control to governments, so they can fix the issue."

They always appeal to emotion: "What are the people going to do when AI takes their jobs? The government has to save them with magic money (that will be used against them).".

Is there an alternative that doesn't involve giving governments total control? (Bitcoin as money -> Productivity growth -> deflation -> everything drops to the marginal cost of production over time - as Jeff Booth has talked about)

These UBI enthusiasts never address what happens after everyone starts receiving conditional, magic, programmable money and practically giving governments more power than they've ever had in an age of the most advanced technology we've ever had.

The technocrats (Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, etc) are presented as an alternative to big government, and they are - a much worse, more competent and more difficult to avoid form of government.

The idea that you can give everyone money and everyone will be able to afford food, shelter, bills, etc is just a fairy tale.

What I think will happen is that these UBI slaves will have a very low quality of life, whereas Bitcoiners will have a high quality of life.

The system will vilify Bitcoiners, presenting them as evil, greedy speculators who have destroyed currencies to enrich themselves with Bitcoin.

Companies like MicroStrategy will be nationalized to "improve" the quality of life of UBI slaves (but really to strengthen failing currencies).

Don't you want to help your fellow citizens, mr Bitcoiner? We'll convert your MSTR shares to magic UBI money that you can spend on soy burgers and fluoride supplements.

Maybe we can have a referendum and have the UBI slaves vote on whether we should steal the Bitcoin from your Bitcoin stocks. Don't you like Democracy?

Maybe we can have a referendum on making Bitcoin illegal and forcing all holders to sell their Bitcoin to the government for magic UBI money to strengthen the currency. You don't like Democracy? Why are you such a communist?

The solution of course is self-custody Bitcoin and not being a bitch.

The people at the top, with access to the money printers are unfortunately not stupid. They are going to explode the Bitcoin price (in fiat terms) in a very short period of time and then they'll paint Bitcoiners as evil speculators.

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THX1138 and Logans Run are the best depictions of the ultimate communist society. they have the 1984 on the boundaries and the brave new world in the interior. and the life expectancy is under 40 years.

There is some job that computer cannot replace which is labour job is like contractor , cleaning service and sort of job. The job that going to be replaced is mostly the job that work behind the computer programming digital artist something like that.

Have you heard of robots?

But it is an extremely important and dangerous situation. Already around my place , many homeless. Mental issues are high on the list . We are pretty close to Ready Player One. But way worse … AI is not a friend . Even though I use it , I am becoming Icarus. The fundamentals of the species are threatened: no Work, no Purpose .