What is the most trustlessway of using Bitcoin?

1 - Liquid based wallets like nostr:nprofile1qqsr70lh4keezkwy9s92zm2ncpyrh7l6647ly257n6fkfgcxws0t9ncpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchs9axefs wallet, nostr:nprofile1qqswe03hyye2jv3msylwkj8cml8d4m9qpc5g0tccrvrrcm86z0kcaggpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtc54uwrd, Misty nostr:nprofile1qqsfwyw34w5qdgazshlnap73wkgzcte9qaqcvrvuvkgrez67scltmqgpzamhxue69uhkvun2daekstnwdaehgu339e3k7mgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgqghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3exxm3wvdhk6zylwpx wallet ?

2- Spark based wallet like nostr:nprofile1qqstu8vf099ljt09m4jvres0dgk8ps2q4wkfjvjp3lhrp3wxxllfg7gpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uq3qamnwvaz7tmw9ehkkvpwdaexwtcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuvrcvd5xzapwvdhk6tcn9w35w, nostr:nprofile1qqsvdc3s5f0260zfwqfkx7lnw77wmqw8ekmqmzq6v0kmzw9s32ngpqcfwuxkg

Like which of this 2 solutions may rug me first and why ?

Anyway it's nice to see all these working wallets poping up to onboard beginners

What I don't understand with Bitchat is that as long as the app is not constantly opened it can't be used as a node to route the datas right ?

So even if many people were actually using it around it would not work ?

At the opposite it's socialism and keynesianism which rely on the false premices that humans are interchangeable.

Not libertarianism which glorifies individualism precisely because humans are not equals and have different yearnings and needs.

Libertarisnism just explains that putting a monopoly in place by default to avoid ...monopolies is moronic and can't work (in addtion to be completly immoral of course).

Who watch the watchmen ? Did you ever asked that to yourself ? Their is no government composed of divine angels, just men with all their flaws.

So discouraging any competition in any field at all, is at best dumb, at worst evil.

5 weak men are always stronger that any powerful man.

You don't have a monopoly of violence in a free world.

Even the most powerful, are much less powerful in a society where competition is everywhere, that in a world where monopolies are legitimized and praised by people who are afraid of those same monopolies.

And cowardice too. Cause being free is also being responsible of many more things.

It's like asking people to stop believing in god when it's obvious that at least the god they worship can't be real.

It's like asking Cypher in the Matrix to accept that he is a slave. He just can't a prefer forget about everything and continue the rat race forever.

People just can't, and prefer continue to believe that they live in the best system possible, that those speaking and thinking about freedom are delusional incels.

Even if history shows them again and again that the society they take for granted and immutable drastically changes every few decades in ways their weak mind can't even imagine.

Anyway as I said Bitcoin fixes this.

There is no elite in a free world. This is the point. Elites are the ones able to rob the others without suffering any consequences because of democracy who legitimize theft.

This is where come "the elite", from the ability to rob the others "legally".

Sad and depressing to think that you need masters that rob you to live your life 🤣

There is no single society that have ever been build on the non agression principle. You might think it's not possible, that it doesn't work for some strange reason. But I think otherwise.

And one of the most obvious proof that it can work, is that their is no collectivist cunt out there, that is intellectually honest enough to allow secession and let us do our own shit without robbing us.

Like all communists parasites, they perfectly know that if they let it happen, their taxable cattle will be gone pretty soon.

Anyway that you want it or not you will not have my sats, I promess. You are missing the big picture. Bitcoin fixes parasitism.

4. And 6 are false IMO but otherwise ok.

4. If everybody think like that Bitcoin is doomed.

Because only custodial shit will have a market. So doing the hard choice of testing and bootstrapping the best tools in order to try making them suitable for the maximum number of (non power) user is kind a duty for a Bitcoiner. It's about having a low time preference.

6. Bitcoin fixes absolutely everything that you say it will not fix. Or rather it's being a Bitcoiner which fixes everything. It's a bit of caricature of course, but at least it will improve all of that through low time preference, again.

Just want to solve it the usual way, by allowing everyone to know all the txs that ever happened on the time chain aka running a node. Just changing the communication layer.

As mesh are much slower this would maybe require:

- in certain areas of the world to wait 144 block instead of the 6 recommended or more (or less) to be sure that a tx is settled

- to initially trust someone with internet access who could provide a recent snapshot of the blockchain as no IBD can be done through mesh network I assume

Yep I can imagine this type of things but my question was more theoretical, can we imagine a way to make it work almost totally without internet except for initial node synching IBD (which could be semi trusted maybe with SPV like tech ?)

To all the geek around here, could Bitcoin run entirely on a mesh network protocol rather than through the internet ? Would it be technically feasible or not ?

White Noise is the nostr based SimpleX. Pretty new but promising.

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https://share.google/CEoW2ZTjMTWmFpfYO

You are actually describing the future at the information age man.

We just need a decentralized ID / reputation system on top of P2P ecash to step by step get rid of Nation States tyranny by starving them

This is why we Bitcoin, sly roundabout way you know...there is nothing more we can do I'm afraid.

And IMO when it comes to stopping our own government, Americans are not doing a so much better job than the french, I'm afraid...The trend is slightly the same, we are just 30 years ahead of you. You know we invented communism so of course we are ahead ..

I know we are on the same side dude don't worry.

Just boring to be constantly reminded (and accused even jokingly) of what our ancestors did while actually the whole continent bent the knee...

Big fan of your podcast by the way.

You'd still be a english king whore without the french though. Also maybe it's useful to mention as you stir up the past, that it's still the french that won the most battles of all countries and not always against unarmed Arab peasant or ruined economies attacked on 2 frontlines as America had.

You are right though America economcaly speaking and for freedom is much better than France right know. But not for food and culture which you have none.

Their is also a reason why France is the most taxed country in the world. It's because our way of life is so good that our overlord can basically do whatever they want to torment us it's still a match for Alerica

Democracy leads to this. Pieces of paper can't avoid the hijacking of this system.

We need competition for everything. We don't need masters. We don't need to be led by people we are forced to "elect". Only the anarcocapitalist way makes sense let's be honest

Bitcoin is useless and worth 0 if you can't spend it without asking permission.

It's the duty of all Bitcoiners to support businesses that accept Bitcoin in order to make game theory make other businesses wanting to accept Bitcoin as well.

By bootstrapping this circular economy you make Bitcoin more useful therefore more valuable because more permissionless.

You don't want to be only able to spend your sats by selling it to a KYC exchange right ? So make it as easy as possible to spend.

Buy spend replace, it's easy.

It's because nostr is anti State being mostly composed of Bitcoiners.

To be anti war means exactly the same thing than being anti State. Only the State makes war because these criminals spend others people money and lifes, then socialize the losses and privatize the few gains.

The State is a mafia organization that must be discredited and dismantled ASAP

Lightning is a wonder that only need time to adjust and become mature and eventually the Bitcoin killer app.

People are being high time pref with it or fud it for selfish reasons.

But it’s working and working well

I've read that time passes faster the less diverse your daily life is, the more expected and without surprise or without new learning your life becomes.

As a child time passes slowly for that reason because you are discovering the world every day.

So the key seems to find a way of never falling into some kinds of routine to have a "longer"life

For those wondering who made these shirts, they are from Le Bunker : https://x.com/LeBunkerBtc?t=f1RKBmHw_xImf21-1f2dcg&s=09

They were sold last week end during the "Bitcoin Economic Forum" a small french conf for plebs in french britanny.

DM them on X (sadly not on nostr yet) if you wan yours

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Yep, you'll have to chose your conf carefully now, but these vibes haven't disappeared, they are just diluted during the wrong events.

Overall the cypherpunks core base still has grown for sure

By the way I'm french and was watching yesterday live when you said that (I watched 10 min of the conf overall) and I laugh because it's true. Tbh 3/4 of America is gay too but you have still 1/4 a bit based sometimes.

Dude you were the only Bitcoiner among those commentators 🤣

I don't know who were the 2 others but pretty sure they never actually did a Bitcoin tx in their entire life.

Wow swap fees are cheap, not using nostr:nprofile1qqsqcdcltmv4qanpx3p7svcufdsg9rkk00x7l2sknra4e6whkv59l7cppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy08wumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttsw43zuam9d3kx7unyv4ezumn9wshsnkhu0f service ?

Nobody here has even the slightest idea of what Bitcoin is 🤣

Fixed or at least known roughly in advanced gold like