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Low status fiat heretic. Often wrong. 2 + 2 = 4

How to be a concern troll for scamming purposes:

1. Say someone did something that contravenes some virtue your audience cares about

2. When that person defends themselves and calls you out or adds nuance, refer to them as toxic

3. Make the issue about toxicity with your new examples of that person calling you out

4. Emphasize that your product / coin etc. is not toxic like that person's product / coin

5. Profit

Seems like Foundation benefits substantially already from Coinkite's work, and continue to do so. Probably wouldn't exist at all without Coinkite.

License clearly allows them to build on top of Coldcard firmware, so long as they are also adding value. It's disingenuous to claim it's not in the realm of open source, because it obviously is.

If I were to **actually** steel man the probable logic for Coinkite's decision its that they wanted to contribute their code and let it be scrutinized, but they wanted some assurance against a much bigger and better capitalized manufacturer doing a full clone (or even many smaller ones cloning and distributing on Amazon potentially putting users at risk).

I doubt there would be any issue with other firms producing products with improvements or different security models. Just seems like a personal issue between Foundation and Coinkite, and Seth is pressing it as a negative marketing campaign which just fuels the fire.

I thought Foundation devices looked interesting and I was open to buying one, but this marketing approach has left a sour taste. Probably won't ever buy from them now, but good luck to you all 🏳️

Respectfully, I don't think you're being fair here. That's not a steel man.

The site you linked to make your case that the license is "not within the realm of open-source in any way" is really helpful and worth a read if people actually want to "DYOR" as you suggest: https://commonsclause.com/

I'm a layman, but for the most part this seems extremely permissive. Like 95% of maximum open source.

For example, here it indicates that you can build on top of it and sell your software. To claim this is harmful is an extraordinary claim which you don't seem justified to make:

"

**May I create, distribute, offer as SaaS, and/or “sell” my products using Commons Clause licensed components?**

Yes!

Commons Clause only forbids you from “selling” the Commons Clause software itself. You may develop on top of Commons Clause licensed software (adding applications, tools, utilities or plug-ins) and you may embed and redistribute Commons Clause software in a larger product, and you may distribute and even “sell” (which includes offering as a commercial SaaS service) your product. You may even provide consulting services (see clarifying discussion here). You just can’t sell a product that consists in substance of the Commons Clause software and does not add value.

"

Hey Seth - what is your steel man for why Coinkite have chosen to do things this way?

You've taken a very particular hard-line FOSS-maximalist position and also implied the MIT license is strongly **not** FOSS (although it actually is for most intents and purposes).

Also, I think worth mentioning here that this issue does not affect the quality and security of Coinkite products.

Hey #[0], Cashu is awesome 🙌

I'm playing around and trying to test a restore since I regularly clear all my browser data.

I've downloaded the wallet backup, but can't see how to use it to restore with a fresh cashu wallet?

You also get some that look like they do both. But, they're not trusting the government, they're submitting to them. I call them cowards.

Wow, The Proclaimers are pretty based. Lyrics from their song In Recognition:

🎶

In recognition of a hundred million album sales

In recognition of your popularity

You take your gaudy prize

From people you said you despise

You wear your self-respect upon your bended knee

In spite of all your claims

It looks like you're just the same

As every other clown who likes to put the crown

Before or after their name

In recognition of your service to the working class

In recognition of your party loyalty

You get an ermine robe

And you declare when you are probed

You only took it so the missus would be pleased

In spite of all your claims

It looks like you're just the same

As every other clown who likes to put the crown

Before or after their names

Oh vanity

It gets them one by one

Cat, religion, monarchy

But only in tale, fairly frail

In recognition of your bravery up on the stage

In recognition of your bankability

You get to wait in lines

With soldiers crippled by land mines

And you think it's the Yanks that don't get irony

In spite of all your claims

It looks like you're just the same

As every other clown who likes to put the crown

Before or after their name

In spite of all your claims

It looks like you're just the same

As every other clown who likes to put the crown

Before or after their name

Their name

Their name

Their name

Almost every podcast I listen to with a mainstream news org behind it is sponsored by some green energy company. Actually wild that most people don't see the problem here.

Podcaster will literally tell me a story about how big oil companies nefariously suppressed global warming info, then do an ad read for their green competitors 🙃

Disallow government propaganda

🤡🌍📢

Fiat news at its finest: Front page of The Times this morning - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sleeping-pill-reduce-risk-alzheimers-disease-study-2023-5mnt63lxq

Literally a single study showing something that **is not** actually a reduction in Alzheimers, but rather a reduction in a protein with a tenuous association with the disease.

There were plenty of stronger results for Ivermectin and Covid which were outright ignored (the fact that Ivermectin turned out not to be not that effective is irrelevant to this point).

So the question is: why is a drug sold by Merck at $500 per month with no evidence of efficacy being pushed as front page news?

Wow, talk about having your cake and eating it too 😅