Nostr will start scaling up VERY quickly when the major female porn stars start creating accounts (when they're kicked off Twitter/Insta for the umpteenth time). Then their tens/hundreds of thousands of followers will move over. Then those followers will start seeing other uses and get their friends to join…
The adult industry really needs Nostr - so this will happen. It's just a question of when.
I'd love to see profile switching. People will have their professional profiles, their personal profiles, and their "alt" profiles for viewing / sharing porn… Makes total sense.
I think down the road there will be a lot of corporate relays with paid subscriptions for content. They'll be an extension of the paid streaming services now.
I was thinking more like digital peep shows. A strip club is more of a public event. OF is more of a one-on-one thing. (or one-to-many, but the customer doesn't see the other patrons).
If you need names of porn stars with PhDs who would tell you that you're wrong, I can provide them. There was a group of them who just yesterday got booted from a panel at the University of Ohio when they started refuting the exact point of view you just expressed.
Porn is not inherently evil or harmful. For example there's no exploitation of women in gay porn. And quite a few people in porn find it rewarding and affirming. I have personal friends who are in porn. My knowledge is first hand.
That said, yes, as in any workplace there are problems. But corporate America is often harmful as well.
I can recommend some very good first amendment lawyers, if you feel you need advice…
Corey Silverstein - http://porn.law
Larry Walters - https://www.firstamendment.com
But you're really more in the position of someone like Twitter or Facebook - a host that doesn't editorially approve what goes on their server. You wouldn't meet the 1/3rd threshold that some of the recent laws have put in place at which point age verification is necessary.
For the porn content - quite a bit of it can be legal. (Provided Congress doesn't change Section 230, and the GOP doesn't redefine "obscenity"). If you're not interested in hosting it, I am. And I'm sure others in the adult industry would also be interested.
It's the digital version of those places guys used to go where they'd put some money in and a curtain would raise and you could see someone naked.
"Feed" = user accounts? To me that makes sense.
There was a great classification system developed YEARS ago that differentiated different types of problematic content. There's no need to reinvent the wheel - just use that as a starting point.
Sorry, for talking about you in the 3rd person. For some reason I thought I was responding to @npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240
Rethink, yes, but there's much to learn from the history of what's gone before.
The law has different rules for different types of adult material. If you're commercially publishing the material, there's one set of standards (documentation of age and consent). If you're an amateur uploading for personal reasons (e.g. dating) there's another set of rules. And if you're hosting random user-generated content there's yet another set of rules.
Ultimately @npub1nxy4qpqnld6kmpphjykvx2lqwvxmuxluddwjamm4nc29ds3elyzsm5avr7 , as the host, bears the legal responsibility for the content. They're going to get VERY familiar with DMCA take-down requests. The proposed changes to Section 230 will be very important to them.
I've been working in the adult industry for nearly 15 years. I'd love to work with you to figure out how to deal with adult content. @npub1wnwwcv0a8wx0m9stck34ajlwhzuua68ts8mw3kjvspn42dcfyjxs4n95l8 (and probably other Nostr clients) are implementing your service with no warning that adult content isn't allowed on your servers. So it behooves everyone to figure this out quickly.
Porn stars are a huge potential market for Nostr. They constantly have problems with Twitter, Instagram, etc. and desperately need a censorship-free alternative. Built-in tipping is a huge plus for them. As you probably know - many of them have HUGE followings. If they start migrating to Nostr their fans will follow. And all their followers are just regular folks who will then use Nostr for other purposes as well. But the porn stars won't come if they can't easily upload images and videos…
Whatever I can do to help, let me know.
I agree. Going back over a decade there have been multiple attempts to classify various types of content certain people didn't like. The problem with most of them was they were based on specific cultural norms. "Inappropriate for someone under 18 years of age" means very different things in Finland and Saudi Arabia. The classification systems that were possibly capable of being culturally neutral were too complicated to implement.
This isn't a new problem, and what history has taught is is that there's no simple solution. Germany requires age verification for all adult content (but only for .de domains). The UK tried to figure out age verification and failed (multiple times). Louisiana just passed age verification requirements - but there are major privacy implications to the law. Now France is talking about it, and the list goes on and on.
The solution I'd like to see is for the same IETF draft standard that Apple (and soon Google) use for Private Access Tokens (which confirm the user is human) be used to say whether parental controls are in place on the device (and possibly what types of parental controls - nudity, sex, violence, etc.) Then websites can filter their content based on that data. The same IETF standard could be used to verify age if the states set up "mediator" services (a term defined in the standard). But parents would need to do minimal parenting to make sure the parental controls are in place.
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-private-access-tokens-01.html
I don't know how any of the anti-porn / age verification laws are going to deal with Nostr. It's a type of chaos and ambiguity they're not prepared to deal with. I can just see some clueless politician saying "We need to subpoena the CEO of Nostr to appear in front of our committee for questioning!" And then being completely confused that something so big has no corporate structure.
AR Porn is coming!
[Quoting from the article, link below…]
Andreas Hronopoulos wants to beam strippers into people’s living rooms — and after a few years of tinkering, he thinks he’s finally found the tech to make his x-rated version of the Star Trek holodeck work.
Then, in October, Meta debuted its Quest Pro VR headset. The $1,500 headset comes with the ability to combine holograms and other virtual elements with a video view of the real world, thanks to a set of cameras strategically placed on the outside of the device—an implementation of AR that’s also known as mixed reality. Hronopoulos bought a Quest Pro as soon as it came out, tried it with his company’s 3D content, and had a bit of a lightbulb moment.
“Oh wow, that’s the product,” he remembers himself thinking. “Augmented reality is here.”
Compared to VR, adult AR is still in its early days. Naughty America recently relaunched its AR site Real Girls Now (adult content, not safe for work), which features short clips of adult performers dancing around stripper poles and striking other suggestive poses. Hronopoulos has so far recorded a total of around 50 minutes of footage in a specialized holographic capture studio, with dozens of cameras positioned around a performer to film her from every angle. “It’s a very complicated process,” he says.
The process also comes with built-in limitations. One of them is that even the best camera arrays can’t capture anything hidden behind another object or person, a problem that’s known as occlusion. That’s why Real Girls Now generally features single performers who don’t get too close to each other.
AR offers a chance to take a viewer’s agency to another level. Not only can viewers beam a model into the familiar surroundings of their living rooms (or, let’s face it, bedrooms), they can also walk around them, choose their vantage point, and ultimately become more active participants in their own fantasies.
In other words, as Hronopoulos says, “It’s going from watching to experiencing.”