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Yes I know this isn’t a tutorial. But maybe something around all that helps also if the library doesn’t suck ? Good luck.
A front end dev friend of mine likes this react library more than others. If that helps you not stab your eye out.
They have basic core components. Complex assembled components, and whole page templates in working prototypes.
Been thinking about inboxes for a while.. Trying to think of the perspective of a popular user who gets probably an overwhelming amount of inbox spam. So far all the gossip specs are missing something, they're missing the idea of paid relays. Paid relays, even for small amounts, think how nice this would be for popular users. Someone has to pay, to send to their inbox, send them a DM etc (even just a one time payment). This cuts malicious users/bots down at their kneecaps because it becomes possible to moderate your inbox. Without this, bots can just spin a million keys and destroy your nostr experience while laughing all the way to the bank (the bank that cost them nothing to use).
So, what I think needs to happen, is gossip spec should to expand to think more about the paid relay case, clients should make it clear to a user that the inbox for that user is paid, and help them do this, or point them at a secondary inbox (which is not checked that much because think about it, this is a common twitter problem too, big social media accounts don't even read their comments and they think this is a solution. Nostr can do better than this. Large accounts should not have to go into broadcast only mode or get constantly screwed by bots).
nostr:npub1acg6thl5psv62405rljzkj8spesceyfz2c32udakc2ak0dmvfeyse9p35c nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z thoughts?
Isn’t this how LinkedIn works today? You get a certain number of unsolicited reach out per month. And beyond that you have to pay for a certain tier, if you want to connect with people more than one or two clicks away from you. Or perhaps if they’ve been more restriction on their account.
Hey, thanks for taking the time to reply to a newb like me! Thanks and I’ll keep trying to digest it :)
Have the protocol folks considered some kind of syndication manifest that summaries and publishes pointers to all the events someone posted in a fixed timeperiod (eg 24/12/4 hrs)? Then if they pub that, and you sub that, you could find you had missed some of their stuff that maybe went to a smaller relay. People could pub their manifest to the larger relays - or as a suplement to the gossip flow on smaller relays. But they send their regular messages to interact with them only on the smaller relays in real time. Maybe something like this could support or reinforce the gossip model. Then you could discover that you are missing content from the manifests, and tell your client to go watch for peoples real time content on such and such a relay/connection. But if you dont need it real time, you can just catch the relay/digest/manifest next time it comes out for those folks you still care about. Kind of like the Listen vs Subscribe idea i was thinking of earlier? Whats crazy here? Why is this destructive or what does it hurt as another approach?
nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg6waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8qmr9vf3ksctfdchx7un89uqzpmnw5yatnljuff5w47d35d87q99xddqpzlzsac4xzn6vm22ekmn53wuslz nostr:nprofile1qyvhwumn8ghj76r0v3kxymmy9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hszxnhwden5te0wpuhyctdd9jzuenfv96x5ctx9e3k7mf0qyw8wumn8ghj76r0v3kxymmy9e3k7unpvdkx2tn5dahkcue0qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgsksxadh nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgmwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3e8qmr9vfejucm0d5hsz8mhwden5te0dehhxarj94ex2mrp0yhxgetjv44hymmnwvhx6ef0qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqf0yl3d nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uqjqamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wv45kuatwv3a8wctw0f5kwtnnwpskxef0qyf8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68yat99e3k7mf0qqswuyd9ml6qcxd92h6pleptfrcqucvvjy39vg4wx7mv9wm8kakyujgm4gffl
Gossip / Outbox models being implemented into additional mainstream clients have been the plan for a while now. This was a talk at #Nostrasia where nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr and nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s both stated that this capability would be added to their respective clients later in 2024. No one should be surprised by this.
Thus far we have several clients that have support:
Gossip
Snort
Iris
Lume
Coracle
These client's devs have mentioned adding support in the future:
Amethyst
Primal
Damus
Do Nostrudel or Nostur have support now or have they mentioned adding support in the future? nostr:npub1n0sturny6w9zn2wwexju3m6asu7zh7jnv2jt2kx6tlmfhs7thq0qnflahe nostr:npub1ye5ptcxfyyxl5vjvdjar2ua3f0hynkjzpx552mu5snj3qmx5pzjscpknpr ?
Any other clients that I'm missing?
Nostromo, current?
So is there a solution here where the local clients (?) store an index of the records pulled down and share that between clients in interoperable way so they don’t need to pull the same record down more than once even if you have more than one client or more than one relay that’s accessing the same record? Or perhaps this could be done as an added service where your verified user ID is? Maybe that’s one reason to pay for a verified user ID to get this kind of collection parsing?
direct messages... chat...
the "deprecated" kind that has both sender and receiver pubkeys in it, as opposed to the receiver only 1059/1060 "giftwrap"
that pesky thing that can only be moderately protecting of user privacy IF CLIENTS IMPLEMENT NIP-42 authentication!!!!!
which nobody seems to want to do, and i've got a colleague from the company i work for adding this feature to #nostrudel if nostr:npub1ye5ptcxfyyxl5vjvdjar2ua3f0hynkjzpx552mu5snj3qmx5pzjscpknpr won't do it (if you don't get it added it will be offered as a PR on a fork in a couple weeks time)
I’ve got like 6 clients I am trying out. I wonder which one used the deprecated protocol?
These super light weight periodic post types could be sent broadly and people could go follow that trail to the content of their feed is so to follow those users content regardless of where the content was published. The manifest messages could be sent and searched to more relays than the average current our users use for their note publish actions.
New idea for Nostr and relay distribution. A manifest.
Each user publishes just a manifest of their key activity every day or every 4 hrs and people can follow those and go get messages if needed from that tip?
I’m sure I’m under informed given my hobby level interest so afar. There’s no way to do this without a centralized platform. I’ve heard people mentioned that there are no analytics. I suppose there could be someone streams anyway.
Folks like Jack or nostr:nprofile1qqswum4p82uluhz2dr40nvdrflspffntgqghc58w9fs57nx6jkdkuaqd5rvcc nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8g2lcy6q people with measurably higher engagement. (Most number of followers or posts?, top replies to their posts?) could one encouraged to invited to disburse themselves among the stable relays. So that people have a reason to go get content from those relays.
Like American and delta aren’t based out of the same hubs for airlines. Each have their own hubs which helps keep the overall airline industry afloat.
Malls used to have to secure “anchor” stores before they stood up to make sure they got critical levels of traffic to keep the smaller proprietors alive.
What if some principle was in place (informally or formally) to ask or recommend to contributors are spread around key relays. Then add people want to find their content, they will start looking on those relays?
Did one of them use standard UI libraries? And the other scratch html?
Fascism is bad.
What governments are not run by guilds and cartels? And bureaucrats and unions.  the individuals who serve as our elected officials have the role to restrict the collective power of the mob in the government.  but doesn’t this assume the problem of the mob and the government? 
#Bitcoin doesn’t have a “business plan.”
https://video.nostr.build/05e2aca99b8cfd11c0245d1676631e7070c184a0abe66f0f3699afeeddd0298a.mp4
Maybe the plan is just to keep people out of your business.
Social media is a complex labyrinth, especially for people who don't understand how the back-end of the internet works.
Even for those who do understand how technology works, UI is an entirely different ballgame. Even the most experienced developers will be left dumbfounded if a UI is not complimentary of the workflow derived from the application. That is why UX is relevant in the process of UI design.
The internet has become a beautiful, symphonic soup of UI/UX nightmares and daydreams.
This doesn't just apply to the experience of each individual website, but in fact, creates a global workflow and a global UI for each user. If you imagine every application you use daily, and compare it to mine, they are likely quite different, with some overlap.
The reason I bring this up is because I used to believe "discovery was poor on Nostr."
But I realized, just today, after 2 years of using the protocol- that tagging is a crucial element of Twitter. I didn't realize this sooner because I don't use Twitter, and other social medias I do frequent, do not rely as heavily on tagging!
Without tags, Nostr is an echo chamber. With tags, Nostr is a megaphone.
Now my problem is with applications. They don't convey the need to tag. Nor do they encourage the user to tag.
How can Nostr applications enable users to tag more frequently, and with purpose?
How can "communities created via tagging" provide further utility to the user? Tagging on TikToks operate sort of like communities, which is a noticeable effect of even filtering by a specific tag on Nostr. However it is not a native "feature," so much as a native "function."
Could relays use note tags to filter their own transmissions?
nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn I am sure you are busy, but you've been on my mind, so I feel like reaching you with these thoughts today. I hope you are well. :)
#nostr #asknostr #questions #howdoesnostrwork #NIPs? #nips
Stack has some interesting features here and for their stack enterprise product including label experts who can help curate or validate those labels or respond to some content tagging the label. There are some suggested labels I think and a minimum of one label. Something to explore here? Could you minimum tag the users user name as a label and then add others if you want? Stupid idea probably.
Fundamentally the peer to peer value for value model breaks their model of central banking/fiat value for credit - based on faith and trust in a central government and its embedded private financial interests.
They want to control your use of their “money” (inflationary credit). They can’t regulate property because their mental model is off kilter. So they will seek to ban and penalize.
Hopefully the populous is as resilient as the network was designed to make it.