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nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5 might already be known, but when i try and access my core lightning node via zeus and go to the channels page, nothing ever shows up so i cant see my channel balances. im running 0.8.4 on android.

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same here, it used to show the channels in previous versions

Update: tried again today and the transaction went through.

Even though the channels were showing as closed in RTL and the transactions were confirmed onchain, in core lightning GUI it showed I had 3 channels still open, today the core lightning GUI no longer showed any open channels and the transaction went through.

I'd say so, all the funds were available onchain afterwards.

I chose to send out all available balance, and the node made a transaction with all the utxos with 2 outputs + change, one to the address I chose and another one with 25k sats to an address controlled by the lightning node.

94 confirmations (might vary slightly for each channel but not by much...)

I believe so, all the balance I had was onchain and I managed to get it all out but the 25k sats

In RTL there are no channels in the "open" tab, and all channels on the pending/inactive have a state of "onchain"

By the way, really bad opsec shouting out I want to make a transaction with exactly 25k sats, but it's out there, I guess....

Hey there 24h nostr people

I'm trying to sweep all funds from a core lightning node I'm running on nostr:nprofile1qqs9df4h2deu3aae83fmet5xmrlm4w5l9gdnsy3q2n7dklem7ezmwfcpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq5xamn8ghj7dnvv45xs7tywde8g6rpvakkjuekw46nvar4vdhxgan6wumkxatzwpckk6rk0puhjdm2da5k7ce5x4kkkumjx3jkzepwdahxjmmwqyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wd9hxvmckqw0xz OS, but there are 25k sats stuck there (error I get in Ride The Lightning: We Would Not Have Enough Left For Min-emergency-msat 25000sat)

Any idea how to get these out?

I want to nuke the node and start from scratch.

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#asknostr #corelightning #cln #start9 #ridethelightning

I've checked, it seems that all channels I had last month (which were somewhat balanced) got closed out... The only inbound liquidity I currently have is in an unannounced channel...

Not sure if I'll just close all channels and nuke the node to start from scratch with the knowledge I've acquired since (for greater privacy), or swap out to get some inbound liquidity.

Probably gonna nuke the node

Even if you combine them, you might end up paying more for adding another utxo to the transaction than what that particular utxo is worth.

In meat space it's not more expensive to add 10 $1 bills together than spending 1 $10 dollar bill.

But in bitcoin land adding a new utxo increases the size of the transaction therefore increasing the total fees for that transaction. There will be a fee level at which certain utxos will be more expensive to send even if added to a transaction with more utxos

I'm running cln on startos, first time I activated lno not sure I did it right

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Pretty good privacy flow that covers *most* average Bitcoin use cases 👇

BUY 🤖 - For use when you want to obtain sats that are not tied to your personal identity #noKYConly

➡️ Robosats Trade > Use proxy invoice when withdrawing to own your node > Accumulate/spend from own node.

SPEND 🪙 - For use when you want to use Bitcoin as money

➡️ Not too much to say here, LN has good base level sender privacy when using your own node.

STORE 🧊 - For use when your node balance gets close to channel capacity, or to a value that you want to move to cold storage

➡️ Carry out atomic swap on something like https://boltz.exchange (use the .onion address) to go from your Lightning channel balance, straight to an address controlled by your hardware wallet. Boltz has a 0.5% service fee, plus you'll of course need to pay miner fees, which are negligible at the time of writing.

NOTES 📔

🟧 Your purchase sizes are limited by your inbound liquidity. Plan ahead!

🟧 If you don't want to or can't run a node, swap out that step for a nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5 Olympus channel with a lightweight node on your phone. I recommend Zeus because spends from there are more private than in Phoenix due to client side path finding

🟧 When using the proxy invoice feature in Robosats, you may need to adjust routing fee and proxy provider allowances slightly

Happy to take questions or comments. Put down the CashApp and give it a go anon, I dare you!

Having used robosats with withdrawals to own node in the past without proxy invoices, would it be advisable to nuke the node and start again or just start using proxy invoices from now on?

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Read this reply nostr:nevent1qqs28sueff6lzstagwn8auhq60mmwecny9v49hmmjwhnd8qymyqwp3qppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsxu0rqu7z50gm46kpyxlvcsj54ml42d8nw79udelgdc5zpca0u5rgrqsqqqqqpd9fetx

And thought, "yea interesting point. What else has this person said?" And there's ONE measly note here. Come on man, say stuff! 😆

I tend to err on the side of not saying stuff if I'm not saying anything new 😅

Continuing on your line of though (not disagreeing that democratic is definitely better than authoritarian).

Maybe if it's true that bitcoin will limit the forever wars of fiat, maybe this means that, under a bitcoin standard, even the biggest empires won't be as big as fiat money allows for.

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Some people have grown cynical with democracy (and various types of representative government broadly, e.g. including constitutional democratic republics that enshrine certain rights to protect liberty against the masses), viewing this method as promoting short-term leadership with bad incentives.

I have a different take.

Prior to the printing press and then the telegraph and radio, running a democratic society over long distances wasn’t even feasible. The concept of having people democratically participate in their government relies on people being relatively connected information-wise so that they can use their access to information to know what’s happening and to then select between different options, which you couldn’t do across the entirety of a country before people were literate and election materials or other publications could be mass produced. In the pre-press age of handwritten books, making written documents was expensive, and so literacy was a niche skill.

So, that era was ruled by kings and queens, council oligopolies, and so forth. Representative government, to the extent that it existed, only applied to small city states where people could literally gather in a town square, or to “elites” in a capital. There was literally no way to run an election over very broad distances on a regular basis. The printing press helped change that, and then the telegraph, radio, and other tech further reinforced it.

But ironically, as I discuss in Broken Money, those technologies also started to break our money. The printing press and telegraph allowed the transaction layer (the movement of IOUs between individuals and entities) to grow exponentially more efficient both domestically and globally, while our settlement layer (gold) remained basically unchanged. This broadening gap between fast transactions and slow settlements was increasingly bridged with centralization and credit, and the gap eventually became so wide that every nation dropped the settlement layer of gold almost entirely, except as a reserve asset.

So the same technologies that enabled widespread representative government also enabled the proliferation of softer money. Prior to these technologies, broad democracy wasn’t possible. And after these technologies, sound money was too slow to keep up. Oof.

But over a long enough timeframe, our technology became good enough that we finally figured out how to do fast settlements as well. Bitcoin. People can send value to each other quickly over long distances, in ways that no central entity can prevent or reverse, and with a unit that no central entity can debase. The first sound money of the Information Age.

If Bitcoin is successful over the coming decades and becomes a much larger and less volatile money, than it is now, fully entrenched in society, then that would be the first era where technology is at such a state where broad democracy and fast sound money can coexist. Or put more universally, it will be the first era where information spreads quickly without breaking the money, and thus both fast information and good money could coexist.

I, for one, would be curious to see how that develops.

What if our ability to coordinate democratically has more to do with Dunbar's number than the access to information at great length?

It's easier to fool the electorate if people don't really know you...

Maybe democracy does not scale and must remain at a city state level.

It's easier than you might think. Just need to read the instructions that come with each service. nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll docs are second to none!