So people are on record before taproot that ordinal inscriptions would be rolling out on the blockspace space provided to potentially be would be used like this? And who's "everyone"? Can you provide timestamps links or articles or blogs that showed this? Genuinely curious.
237 days to the 4th halving.
497 days to the end of the 1st ¼ of the 21st century.
Are we still early?
Math is for charlatans! Don't try to confuse me. Hahah. 😄
Haha. Opened Twitter and saw this.
It's also not that I just don't like your language. I'm just not about name calling and swearing at ppl with different views. Twitter is more that vibe tbh.
And I find usually people do this when they've lost an argument and have no other rebuttle or explanation and are triggered someone else has a different view. 🤷♂️
No. I just see the risk:use ratio and a LOT of us are in the same view. Your analogies were about Air missles, Playstation and credit cards.
I appreciate your effort but speak about the code changes directly without jargon maybe? Or articulate WHY it's even needed. Sidechains and L2 seems decent enough.
My repeated point about it being the hardest money ever created was illustrating that something incredible has been invented. And it's working! If we implemented every gOoD iDeA to come along the Bitcoin would be Solana or Shiba Inu.
Bip300 isn't a small change and augments the use case considerably.
Maybe Drivechain *is the bees knees but yeah, yelling and name calling gives off Bcash vibes.
Bitcoin doesn't need to change to allow in/out 'trustless' escrow so shitcoins can exist on it in this manner.
And if it does you're doing a bad job of explaining it.
Usually know I've won an argument when the other person can't articulate their points and can default to name calling and swearing. Bad look. 😬
My points are salient. If they're so utterly wrong you should be able to easily dismantle them. I'm not overly tied to my opinion.
Sorry you got triggered into swearing and insults. I'm thinking it drives my point home even further if this is the sort of ethos and attitudes around drivechain...
Roger Ver used to rage and throw insults like this too back in the BCash days. I say you guys follow suit. Hard fork Bitcoin, call it "Bitcoin DC".
I'll send you some sats as seed money even.
Just finished writing this before seeing your post. This is where my view is at currently.
Agreed. I'm not sold on Drivechain. At all.
Let sidechains do their thing. We don't need shitcoins intertwined with L1.
"Bip300 places x amount of bitcoin aside in a trustless bank, that can be taken from, if you want to leave the side chain project. Like using a house as a security against a credit card. It puts skin in the game where altcoins and..."
-This sounds like altcoin stuff. Not the hardest money ever created. You mentioned: banks, credit cards and houses to justify wanting Bitcoin to leave the main chain to "put skin" in the game for alt coins. No thanks. Sidechains do this fine. Zooming coins in and out opens attack surface for unseeable attacks just like NO ONE saw Taproot leading to Ordinals.
-And Ordinals are, essentially, alt coin fluff/garbage. So no thanks to open up attack portals.
"Things you might want to add are a monero like simple privacy experience, or zcash like features. There is even an EthSide on Dc so their version smart contracts, if you want. All backed by btc."
-No. You misunderstand Bitcoin. It's the hardest money ever created. Not a shitcoin. If you want something else, go use it. You're trying to make Bitcoin a Swiss army knife. Keep that stuff away from Bitcoin. It soils the name.
"if there are security holes or threats to bitcoin, technical arguments should be made on the open source proposal."
-Any opening of attack surfaces is just that. Potential for unseen and uncalculable threats. Your reasoning that DC makes these able to be foreseen is wrong IMO. It doesn't. It just opens the surface.
"DC has been around a longtime and these arguments have been answered for years already. All that's left so far is FUD."
-Disagree. I haven't been convinced of it and it's not FUD. It's wanting to preserve the purest form of the idea of a digital P2P currency that is the hardest money ever created.
"Big players stand to lose market share if BIP 300 is adopted. Names like blockstream and liquid (because its the same thing but open to you and not just big companies)."
-Anyone can propose and run a sidechain tbh.
"The project is open to real critisism, technical or game theoretic. But they must come from people who actualy understand DC first. Most people at this stage in the debate are dismissing it right away."
-Nah. I don't buy that gatekeeping. People are allowed to want the purest form of money ever and have it as it is. They're justified to want it to be whoever they want. Just like you are justified to want Bitcoin to be intertwined with shitcoins. It's a disagreement of purpose based on opening unknown attack vectors, and purpose of the hardest money ever.
Risks and functions outweigh the use IMO at this point.
You're free to fork the project and make drivechain? Maybe that's an avenue you guys can follow...?
I guess this is probably not the best time to remind you all that I wrote a very alpha trending notes API a few weeks ago. Sort notes by replies, reactions, reposts, zap_count, or zap_amount.
Docs here: https://docs.nostr.wine/api/trending
Lol too soon
I'm not saying I agree with Primal. I don't use it.
But I agree, 100% and uncompromisingly so, their ability, right and function to use this protocol, Nostr, within capabilities, to do *whatever* they darn well please.
This. Is. freedom.
The protocol is neutral. Someone used the word 'agnostic'.
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Does this sort of suck for Ralf? Yeah. He's a good guy. But whats the solution? The clients are policed to behave a certain way by.... whom? And why?
Freedom is uncomfortable at times. But there's nothing wrong with Nostr. Primal just wants to play it like that. Keeping this open to neutrality is better than the alternatives.
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Tough one. I like that I can invest in the custodial IOU rather than be forced to buy some company IMO in my self directed account... know what I mean?
It's not self custody. It's an IOU. But so are stocks! Haha. So I'd rather have an IOU for BTC when there are incentives to go the fiat route of investing in stocks, bonds, etc.
100%. #FreePrimal
Don't like something in Nostr? Build your own tool or use a different one. Period. That's the value here.
Disagree. Nostr is a maximal freedom protocol. Too many people struggling with what this means today.
#FreePrimal
Think about it. Don't like a client or relay? Build your own or use another. That's what Nostr is. Not forcing an arbitrary opinion of what the entire experience should be.
Exactly. So many people are missing the point today.