It shouldn't be considered libertarian or anarchism to just want the government to be less bloated and more fiscally responsible.

Maybe just as a start we stop sending trillions to fund overseas wars and try to not grow the debt. Many countries don't fund other people's wars, this isn't libertarian utopian philosophy.

> Yes, we have a lot of non profit media and journalists today and it works fine!

Journalism has nothing to do with this. It has exactly nothing whatsoever to do with anything I said, not even slightly.

You are wrong about legal matters, you are wrong about what a non-profit is. Learn about things, then talk about them, in this order.

> There is not a single jurisdiction without at least ANY restriction => EVERY operator MUST scan for illegal content unless they are uncatchable Joe.

No, it's a non sequitor, it depends on the law.

The fact that some content is illegal does not necessarily mean that the relay operator is liable, surely not for all illegal content.

You seem to believe that if willingly publishing something is illegal, then a hosting platform, to which relays are similar in practice, has the legal obligation to scan against it and is liable if it doesn't.

This is not generally the case. It depends.

> Also, relays MUST be for profit (if we are not talking about nostr in its today form no one uses just like right now) - because one has to pay for hosting and operation.

Bullshit.

Plenty of websites, which also have to pay for hosting, are run by non-profits.

This isn't a disputable matter of opinion, it's an objective matter of fact, there are *many* non-profit organizations running websites, often hosting them on their own servers, some of which are very large and have many users.

You seem to be under the impression that non-profits can't deal with money.

This is obviously not true. Many non-profit organizations handle money, sometimes massive amounts of money. That doesn't make them "for profit", because profit isn't their goal, or even part of their goals and money, to them, if they are run honestly, is nothing but, merely, a tool like any other, which they spend towards what actually fundamentally matters: the mission of the organization.

We already have several non-profits which operate in the software world, several non-profits which run widely used web services, several non-profits which have freedom of speech as an important part of their stated mission, all of which do what they do with no need to turn into "for profits".

There's some nuance that most of this article won't apply to nostr*

*but it will apply to individual relays in individual countries.

So CSAM will likely be pretty universal (except for relays that host on Tor.....)

DMCA would apply to a lot of relays....just not for example, a Chinese relay

Individual relays would ban individual countries, but some relays would be IN those countries

but all content from all relays show in the same feed. So what's the net effect for the user who wants to see what they want to see?

We call this "jurisdictional arbitrage" (except for the Tor example)

> So relays should allow everything except for illegal content without even scanning fir illegal content you say?

That depends on the law. The law isn't the same everywhere.

The law of at least some jurisdictions does not require scanning for illegal content, at least not all kinds of illegal content, but this can be as a result of safe harbor provisions, which hosting companies can benefit from only if they comply with some conditions.

Relay operators should know what the law is, in those jurisdictions they must obey to, and act accordingly, in whatever legal way is the most beneficial to them, while also requiring the least effort. I can't go in the specifics because neither of us has mentioned a specific jurisdiction, so it will not always be the same.

If there is no legal requirement to scan content, then why would they do so?

> Also cloud providers and ISPs must be forced to allow relays hosting for free right?

Who in the actual fuck is suggesting this? Really, who are you replying to? Where have I suggested anyone be forced to do anything?

Don't make shit up and attribute it to other people online. Read, understand, then write.

no. what i mean is some council of intellectuals can say these are better included in a curation and these are just rubbish. much better ai models can be built that will serve the best answers for people's problems. a well curated ai means countering the mainstream narrative optimally.

decentralized ai should not mean decentralized training. it should mean decentralized curation (what to include in the ai)

This isn't Twitter, relays don't have to be for profit.

Allowing everything except for illegal content, spam and content which abuses the technical functionality of the relay (such as, for example, hosting images if only text is allowed) is a good policy.

No reason to ban "hate speech" where it's legal.

They should be carriers of information, relay as heavily as legally possible on safe harbor provisions, without even scanning for illegal content when it's not mandatory and let users decide what they want to see.

relays are not really web servers, they don't serve web apps or web pages, they are more like microservices attached to a database with a simple protocol

they *can* serve web pages, in fact i am in the process of adding some web service features on a secondary, local-only port for administrators to dump the event store and push events up to it without restarting the relay (dumping the DB was easy, adding events will be a tiny bit more complex) and i could easily add more web services to it if i could be bothered

the nostrudel client attempts to connect to the relay's listener as a simple webserver on its / route and it is possible to put a web app onto this port, for such things as serving up a statistics page or a subscription system, nostr wine and nostr.land i think both have little web pages for this that let you bump your subscription and suchlike

other big differences from a web server is these things called "ephemeral events" and the auth envelope is an example of one, this lets you identify yourself to an npub to the relay which can alter the data it will allow you to access or publish, this is all in a separate protocol from a standard web service, it is more like a microservice, microservices commonly use JSON protocols, but more usually actually JSONRPC2 or Swagger or similar protocols, it really is its own protocol and it's not and is not first class web server it is actually a websocket server

because it can auth in the socket and this can grant you different rights of access to data there is a lot more potential for mitigating attempts to surveill or stop the propagation of data, and this is the what the fuss is all about

websockets essentially let you run something that behaves like a webserver, but if you upgrade, or send other header fields, it can do other things, like the nostr+json which lets you access the relay's nip-11 metadata

calling relays "just a web server" totally misses most of the things that they actually do on a daily, minute by minute basis... and i run mine from my home, with the help of a reverse proxy and wireguard server, and it would be nothing at all to change that so the vps is in other jurisdictions and the actual relay itself is running anywhere, even probably (if i modified my reverse proxy) i could round robin it across multiple endpoints and have them quietly synchronising in the back end, which is just the beginning of the possibilities for making relays resistant to attacks from well equipped adversaries

It's time for big public relays to start adding some restrictions on the content they accept and from whom.

The biggest challenge I see is monetization. We’ve got brilliant developers working on the protocol and talented content creators joining. But if they do not get monetized, they won’t be able to stick around. A man’s gotta eat end of the day.

Centralized giants like Google and Facebook offer users pennys on the dollar while selling their data. Unfortunately rampant ignorance of the latter allows this system to work.

We need to come up with some sleek roundabout way to attract and, more importantly, retain users while staying true to the ethos of #Nostr.

Land is better than Bitcoin.

Bitcoin, gold, stocks and shares and property are all artificial constructs to a greater or lesser degree.

N.B. Gold value is an artificial construct, not gold itself!

Land is not.

But land is not fungible and is stable in value.

Also, land ownership requires trust and permissions, so has traditional disadvantages.

As for what to sell Bitcoin for, nothing in the foreseeable future. But plenty in the unforeseeable future.

Private relays can replace all sorts of self hosted apps and make it way easier to be sovereign

Instead of like 10 docker containers you just need one private relay

15 years ago I gave the website ogp.me to facebook. It stands for Open Graph Protocol. Every time you see a link preview on nostr, or whatsapp, telegram, facebook, twitter and so on, it uses that technology, which is based on the original Web 3.0 aka the semantic web. It has probably created several billion dollars in value accross the internet. It's sort of nice in a way. When a technology just works, it stops mattering who created it. Maybe in future people will stop using the term Bitcoin, and it will just be called "payments".

"Relays should not be treated as databases" is silly and can kill nostr.

The relay query language was designed around a social notes client use-case. The "other stuff" that we love to talk about, as much as it's part of the nostr acronym, is an afterthought.

Other stuff clients do not work like social clients. They have way more specific requirements and hence need to use relays more like databases.

Since the query language is terribly limiting, this results in:

- Higher amount of requests

- More bandwidth

- More client-side processing

Do we want nostr to compete in terms of UX with other platforms/protocols or be forever lagging behind?

Worst of all, this leads developers to implementing hacks to perform queries (custom languages via NIP-50, for instance) which entirely defeats the point of a relay: to be easily swappable.

If we can't easily swap relays, nostr is dead.

The rationale for not treating relays as databases is based on the fallacy of simplicity. Since we want anyone (yes including your grandma) to create a relay we must make it as simple as possible – so we should not force implementation details such as requiring a database.

But guess what is the simplest way to build a relay? Using a database.

If we want nostr to succeed we must grow up, assume that relays will have a database backend, and reach consensus on a better query language that we're confident can be implemented in most engines (SQL, noSQL, graph, and so on).

Not perfection, not a highly complex language, but something that allows more flexibility than the archaic filters we have right now.

AI can’t generate smells

Just as I expected. A non-answer. Bye bitch

Ok so what about the top 10 nostr relays, which don’t fit that description? I’ve seen your posts before and you’re a fairly pessimistic overreacting little bitch so I don’t expect a fair answer

10 relays? Sounds decentralized to me unless they’re all run by the same person/entity. How many do you suggest are needed to actually be decentralized?

We all know #Google seach engine has gone down hill big time.

We need a #search engine that only finds altruistic #web sites, with no adverts or predatory #cookies first.

How to finance ?

Maybe the searcher could pay a few volentary Sats ⚡for the search. Or the website could pay to be on the first page.

I have no idea how to do this but sure its posible with a good #dev #developer