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Bitcoin, Not Fiat. New to bitcoin, not sure if I'm a hater yet or just a deeply closeted bitcoiner. P2P Agorism FOSS

If you have a UTXO of say 1 BTC, spend 0.01 BTC, then the receiver and everyone in the world simply sees your .99 change address.

Further with traceability, all future spends and past spends are easily attributable to you via the billion dollar blockchain surveillance industry with 12+ years of increasing sophisticated spying techniques.

No it doesn't, stamps are still allowed last time I checked (it's been a while). BIP444 does not stop non-monetary data either way..

Bitcoin is fuck you money

So fuck you :)

But I do think getting angry at people using Bitcoin a way you don't like will stop them

You can't enforce 'spam is illegitimate'. You can try removing some types you don't particularly like, but it's naive to assume doing that will actually make Bitcoin more monetary. And what if it doesn't?

What if you are not satisfied after fork #1?

What if the spammers whom you stopped to spam look for the next way?

How many spam forks are needed when enough is enough and realize people who want to waste money trolling (or launching scams) on the global permissionless decentralized monetary network will always be able to do so.

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MiCA: The EU's Stealth Attack on Bitcoin's Soul

MiCA isn't regulation, it's a declaration of war on what makes Bitcoin revolutionary. Fully enforced since Dec 30, 2024, this EU regime mandates KYC for every crypto service provider (CASP), enforces the "Travel Rule" to track and share transaction data across borders, and bans platforms from admitting assets with "inbuilt anonymization functions" like mixers or privacy tools. It's the biggest assault yet on anonymous Bitcoin holding, shredding financial privacy at its core.

This isn't about "consumer protection", it's a direct hit on financial anonymity, forcing every satoshi's origin and destination into the surveillance dragnet.

Governments fear the untraceable power Satoshi unleashed: money that can't be censored, seized, or spied on. MiCA subjugates that independence, turning sovereign individuals into tracked subjects in a digital panopticon. It's the most dangerous bid to crush personal financial sovereignty under bureaucratic bootheels.

The irony? It won't work.

Non-compliant firms and individuals will flee the EU like rats from a sinking ship, routing to freer waters.

Bitcoin doesn't bend, it flows. It'll thrive in jurisdictions that honor privacy, sovereignty, and true anonymity, places with decentralized networks or pro-freedom havens that reject this monstrosity.

Bitcoin was born to escape fiat tyrants. MiCA just proves they're terrified.

Stack sats, stay pseudonymous, and watch the empire crumble.

#Bitcoin #MiCA #FinancialFreedom

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Monero is banned in EU, no exchanges, no institutions, no firms can buy it.

Monero is thankful for their support of decentralization and the P2P economy.

Stop crying bitcoiners

Yes, this is why I think it's necessary to move completely towards all economic activity/transactions (L1 settlements) happening on the private by default chain.

If XMR/BTC swaps or similar is used, as you mention with linking past Tx amounts, there is a lot of data leaked and easily correlated. Wallet fingerprints, netflows, timing, etc. And you basically lose more privacy as a function of how much economic activity still requires you to use those surveillance networks (btc or fiat).

Wow I didn't know it was that bad.

So basically even if many lightning nodes were sovereign, and therefore subsets of the network aren't easily mapped, then the large hubs could still "Know Your Channel". Is that the case?

But how could it ideally work if we assume all non-KYC lightning nodes over Tor only (or even an ideal mixnet) and users are running their own lightning (not trusting some 3rd party w/ their data)

It seems like this still suffers from channel closing attacks/ accidents revealing onchain the net balance.

Is this actually possible with something like lightning? Or can surveillance firms just force close (actively attack somehow) those pesky channels that have been open > 1 year and need to touch the global ledger before Apr 15th

That's right, if your UTXO is linked to you (or a profile / behaviour pattern that eventually can be) then you don't own Bitcoin privately - the observer (surveillance state) knows what's yours. And some day when fiat isn't worth the paper it's printed on, they may want their share of your Bitcoin.

Even assuming Lightning is private (which is probably quite an assumption) your channel will eventually close, revealing gains. - I think what you're getting at

The solution is to make the shift to only(or mostly) spend and receive within in the private layer 1 (Monero). Or it's layer 2. This is the P2P counter-economy, a free stateless market. They can still see what goes in Fiat -> XMR (somewhat mitigated with P2P exchanges) so it's crucial that you're paid in XMR. The is what it actually means to "separate money from state". Earning, spending, and saving without permission.

Bitcoin solves the inflation part (kind of) and the other part - the tax part, is easy done then L1 privacy is weak.

"Privacy is for L2" is a lie. Unless they mean you won't actually own Bitcoin (liquid, ecash).

Many more ideas, tangents, and naunces here, let me know what I got wrong.

there's still a risk of local cameras (from traffic lights/businesses/residential) correlated with satellite imagery (surveillance companies like Vantor). So depends on how many cameras there are and how often the region is satellite imaged

also quite ineffective for large amounts 😁