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Leader of the failed Gunpowder Plot of 1605. Did me best

I think it’s just a knowledge barrier. When you go look for a lightning wallet as a noob or intermediate user, you get all sorts of results & information, new terminology, wallet types, address types, invoices, lnurls, etc, so if you’re someone who finally got regular on-chain bitcoin figured out, and it wasn’t exactly easy for you, then you might stay put paying fees because you understand it and how to self custody, etc.

Also, it’s peer to peer BECAUSE there are people are in the middle. P2P doesn’t mean “directly from one peer to another with no stops” it’s a protocol type that requires and depends on a network of peers. P2P should really be called P2P2P2P etc

I think yes, but not until some ink hits paper in DC and officially loosens up US policies

thats fair. Maybe I never thought of it as misleading because I don’t care what anyone else thinks about these descriptions or descriptors because I get it. Typical autist shit, you know. I figure if some miners censor transactions in the future because of the origin of the coins, other miners will be there to do it instead. If not, then the network has been completely compromised anyway. Mining problems from an entity like blackrock are real fears. This is why I hope that hyperbitcoinization includes an explosion of mine development in every nation to fight the current centralization efforts

I do understand what you’re saying, and I totally get your concern. You have to understand what p2p really is under the hood to not be afraid of it. The person in the middle is just another peer with equal power to change content as every other peer: zero. In BitTorrent, which inspired bitcoin, files are uploaded and downloaded. When it first came out, most home internet connections were spotty and when you tried to download huge files, if it didn’t just lose the connection and fail completely, the file would get corrupted and be useless. BitTorrent introduced a method to disseminate huge files, chunk by chunk, in a way that would only succeed if the resultant file matched a hash of the original, meaning it was the DEFINITELY THE SAME EXACT FILE. This was great for downloading OSs and software that you needed a positively perfect copy of, then later our internet connections got better and we started checking SHA256 hashes to make sure our downloads were good. But BitTorrent still does this job perfectly, and bitcoin’s p2p network is similar in that it IS the protection. It is what makes it possible, and bitcoin would have never grown so huge without it. These peers are your friends. The network doesn’t allow ‘rogue’ peers.

Thinking that way will just lead us in circles. If the miners fail to put the bitcoin into your address right then and there, which you can sit there and confirm, then it’s no deal, right? It’s like seeing that someone is trying to hand you counterfeit cash, it’s deal off. And anyway, miners are simply assembling blocks, encrypted in a chain that they can not alter. They’re just powerless intermediaries regarding the actual content of transactions, and are only concerned with collecting fees/rewards. The ‘trusted party’ that’s spooking you out here is actually the entire network, which is bitcoin’s strength. It’s the centralization of mining that’s the real threat, but that’s a whole other subject, 51% attacks and all that.

Well, what I would do if someone ‘handed’ me a bitcoin on the spot in the form of a key or seed is sweep it into my wallet immediately from my mobile device, perhaps to a wallet that the device I’m holding doesn’t even have the keys to. So after swept, which takes 30 seconds, yes indeed the person has the bitcoin and you no longer have access to it. Think of the time that takes like counting the money in a back alley drug deal. Once dude sees you brought all the money, it’s part time. So it is with sweeping some coin someone is handing you. It must be transferred immediately to be ‘yours’ and ‘counted’

wow that’s comprehensive. Only thing I’m using not listed there is the Wavlake beta app on iOS

Satoshi proposed the p2p aspect of bitcoin to prevent the double-spend problem that other ecash attempts suffered from. So, that’s why you “need” the network. The p2p part is totally separate from how bitcoin is stored in a random place on the spectrum of possible addresses. Your knowledge of where your coin is on the spectrum is ‘your bitcoin’

But you can absolutely go hand someone a bitcoin by handing them a piece of paper with 12 words on it, or a private key to a single address.

So yes! Bitcoin is backed up and made possible by a p2p network similar to BitTorrent. And like with BitTorrent, you can download a movie, burn it and hand it to a friend. Similarly on the bitcoin network you can receive some coin, transpose the seed or key onto paper and hand it somebody. I hope this help a little- please don’t hold back questions if this doesn’t make sense because it goes deeper still

someone recommended vpnstr here recently. It’s an interesting looking VPN where you can buy blocks of time getting routed through them and pay in bitcoin, but I blew it off when I saw their mobile solution was to download wireguard on iOS, which hasn’t seen an update in over a year. #vpnstr