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Seems we have forgotten this:

"When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!" 1 Corinthians 6:1-8

There are three marks of a true church:

1. Preaching of the Word

2. Right administration of the Sacraments

3. Church Discipline

Too many churches, especially Protestant churches, neglect the third mark.

Oh for sure! Especially in regard to forced "marriages", same sex, or incest.

I also think there is a valid point there with marriages under false pretenses, such as going in with the intent to be unfaithful, false identity, existing previous marriage, etc. But again, I think we would look to see if some of these could be remedied via repentance first, so the marriage could be one in truth, before deeming it invalid.

I am curious what this study is considering "Conservative Protestant." I would be very interested in seeing what those numbers look like for Confessionally Reformed Protestants separate from other "Conservative Protestants."

Yeah, over here on the conservative Presbyterian side of things, we are a bit more proactive about examination, admonition, and formal discipline before the divorce or annulment is treated as valid, rather than only getting involved once a divorced party seeks remarriage.

I can only speak for the OPC, though I don't know of any other Protestant denominations that issue annulments or certificates of divorce, either. That said, if you divorce someone for unbiblical reasons, you WILL come under church censure that could lead to excommunication if you remain unrepentant.

Also, if you are married to a professing believer and wish to get a divorce, it is expected that you will file charges against them with the church where you are a member. Only after the discipline process is complete, and your spouse is excommunicated after being found unrepentant in a sin that biblically allows for divorce will you be permitted to file for divorce without any negative repercussions, such as church censure against you.

As for annulments, I would need to hear examples of what you mean by unbiblical marriages. Like, marriages to a close relative or someone of the same sex? That would be examples of the marriage itself being sinful, and therefore part of repentance would include dissolving the marriage, which is no real marriage at all.

Personally, I also would prefer to see the State entirely out of the issue of marriage and divorce, but I also recognize that the State is often needed as a mediator in the case of distribution of common property, which is not properly within the purview of the church.

Sounds like something a cat would say...

I am definitely in the process of de-Googling my online life and hosting as much as I can myself, so I will probably take you up on that.

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Depends what you mean by aliases. I believe there are self hosted tools that can generate aliases and "redirect" to your online email, but hosting your own complete mail server is what I was going for.

Stalwart mail is one of the most well-made self-hosted applications I have used in a while. I have spent so much time configuring mail servers I almost gave up until I found this. It can be used inside a docker container and as of this month its pretty much configured right out of the box.

https://stalw.art/

Keep in mind hosting your own email server is a PITA in general, spam filters, security, DNS records, and if you have a residential internet connection chances are your ISP will block outgoing TCP traffic assigned to port 25. You'd need a way to route around that, unless your on a cloud provider that isn't blocked. I really enjoy hosting email when it works, but it's a lot to manage.

Very interesting... I will look into it. Probably more than I want to bite off at the moment, but something I will consider down the road.

Whoever it is, add your recipe to zap.cooking. Got zero results when searching for "lasagna."

Teach me your ways.

I am using an Umbrel for my home server right now, if that makes a difference.

I am using SimpleLogin for creating separate email aliases for each service I use. That way, if they start spamming me, I can just shut down that alias and move on with my life. If they get hacked, my main email is also not compromised.