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Mike Brock
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The way I think you see something like this being likely, is just by carefully evaluating human behavior in social groups. Look at people's political attitudes, their attitude towards states, etc. What you find is, the vast majority of people consider taxation and some semblance of the welfare state either a good thing or necessary evil. Everywhere. There's differences in opinions on how big or small the state should be, and how generous or minimalistic welfare programs should be. But when you add it all up, it turns out, it's a very very small number of people who think the idea of being a fully self-sufficient individual -- responsible managing their own security, contractual relationships privatized public goods, and all the stuff that anarcho-capitalists claim represents a perfect ethical society -- is an attractive idea, and compelling reason to disintegrate the modern state.

Humans organize into hierarchal power structures repeatedly, even when small societies are set up to try and deliberately avoid them. It still happens.

This tells us something important about what to expect from human nature in the future.

It's a big part of why I think political liberalism and democracy are very important -- to mediate the dangers of the human predilection for falling into these patterns into something that stays relatively aligned with the interests of the maximum number of people possible.

Human Compatible: Artificial Intelligence and the Problem of Control https://a.co/d/4aFk1No

But there won't just be a value-for-value economy. Because people will always create markets for time arbitrage. Saying doing so is fraudulent or unethical, is really not going to stop it from happening, because massive production efficiencies can be gained that way.

Many people will only self-custody. Nature of banking is ultimately going to be about yield on savings and credit.

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I didn't say it's only going to be a reserve assets, though. It will be a fully functioning currency, and plenty of stuff will be priced in it.

You'll be taxed in local currency. Most available credit will be available to you in local currency, and that will maintain significant markets for state currencies. Physical goods will be priced in national currencies, to allow for stable trade to persist through trade imbalances. For digitally native goods and services, bitcoin denominated pricing with be common, and usually the default.

Also, I think digital assets like music, and creative content will be commonly priced in bitcoin, because digital-native assets will just have global reach by default. Physical goods, will have pressure to be priced in local currencies. But in the same way many non-Americans are used to things being priced in USD, people will be used to things being priced in BTC for digital goods and services.

Lightning will carry stablecoins. And Bitcoin Lightning payments would still have plenty of insane utility in this world. I also think all such local currencies, tokenized representations will be secured by bitcoin, and the exchange markets will be insanely deep and efficient. I just think there will be competitive currencies. And ubiquitous liquidity between them.

It’s more that the vast majority of people *want* a government and *want* that government to provide some modicum of a safety net, security and a provisions for general welfare, so there is an in-built market for taxation by which the government can induce demand for its own currency. I predict this dynamic will persist.

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Initially, I thought ION allowed unique URL registration like (did://bob.com), but Daniel clarified that it generates IDs in the format: "ChosenWord-RandomWord-RandomWord" (e.g., "Colby-Purple-Bee").

These trust-minimized IDs are more memorable than npubs or Bitcoin addresses and could function as usernames or domains atop Bitcoin.

Daniel and I discussed Web5 and Nostr 2.0 as co-protocols:

β€’ Nostr 2.0 provides hosting for websites across hundreds of untrusted relays without the risks of content tampering, thanks to a tamper-evident Merkle root that's on-chain.

β€’ Web5 enables self-hosting websites across local devices. This combination offers the best of both worlds: decentralized hosting with Nostr 2.0 and local self-hosting with Web5.

𝐾𝑒𝑦 π‘π‘œπ‘–π‘›π‘‘π‘  π‘“π‘Ÿπ‘œπ‘š π‘œπ‘’π‘Ÿ π‘‘π‘–π‘ π‘π‘’π‘ π‘ π‘–π‘œπ‘› π‘œπ‘› π‘π‘œπ‘ π‘‘π‘Ÿ 𝟐.𝟎 π‘Žπ‘›π‘‘ π‘Šπ‘’π‘πŸ“ π‘Žπ‘  π‘π‘œ-π‘π‘Ÿπ‘œπ‘‘π‘œπ‘π‘œπ‘™π‘ :

1. Web5 allows website owners to self-host websites locally with decentralized domains, while Nostr 2.0 enables distributed hosting across hundreds of untrusted relays. This offers flexibility depending on the owner's needs.

2. Web5 provides resilient backup solutions for users decentralizing their website with Nostr 2.0, ensuring local copies across their trusted devices.

3. Web5 facilitates direct, encrypted communication between website owners and users. Visitors can browse decentralized websites hosted on many Nostr 2.0 relays and establish a direct connection with the website owners through Web5, all thanks to using the same DID system for domains.

We encourage the Web5 TBD team to develop an ION middlelayer for Nostr 2.0, making ION a middlelayer similar to the decentralized GitHub we are building for the bounty started by #[7]

This modular structure means the Nostr 2.0 base layer for storage ossifies into a standard. This encourages people to build new middlelayers and a diversity of clients for each middlelayer atop the universal, hash-organized off-chain storage. 🧱

Unlike IPFS, Nostr 2.0 lets people browse and verify websites without hosting them. Users don’t need to rely on public IPFS gateways to verify the data either β€” thanks to the on-chain Merkle roots Nostr 2.0 utilizes for syncing any off-chain data, identical to the type of on-chain Merkle roots ION uses. We aimed for the same Merkle DAGs and content addressing standards that ION already uses in order to be interoperable.

Most importantly, making all Nostr 2.0 nodes become ION nodes offers a significant advantage: When users type in a DID URL into a browser, the conjoined node would resolve the URL and deliver the tamper-evident website files to the user. πŸ––

Replacing IPFS with Nostr 2.0 achieves this all-in-one package for a decentralized web powered by Bitcoin, where users can resolve URLs and browse decentralized websites through one type of modular node. If hundreds or thousands of operators run this conjoined node (Nostr 2.0+ION+Bitcoin full-node), the decentralized web becomes a reality. Anytime they want to host specific Twitter profiles or a GitHub repo, they simply add those middlelayers to their node stack and configure their hosting preferences.

Sounds like a very production discussion! #[0]