Subnostr

not only get fired, you know. being canceled is totally against what we used to preach as well, butler was completely against cancel culture, she abhorred it. cuz it’s the typical thing that oppressors do. I don’t wanna be an oppressor. 🥴

river 2y ago

Wasn’t butler all about discourse? That undermines that entirely. I think that in cancel culture in the form of mass reporting and outrage comes from a form of slave morality that we should be quick to call out.

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river

I really want to cut through the noise of this discourse and get at something you said, which I found really interesting. Mainly the idea of gender theory as envisioned by Judith Butler and others, becoming integrated into this emerging new capitalist order. It is perfectly true, in my estimation, that queer theory has no revolutionary impetus for addressing or challenging the system. I'm not discussing about the traditionalist system or the fascist system (which it definitely can subvert), but the essence of capital unleashed in the late 20th century. Queer theory and queerness has been absorbed by the system as has many other alternative lifestyles and counter-cultural movements throughout the 60s and 70s. With that being the case, we cannot dismiss the entire subject, but perhaps address the ways in which capital tries to subvert certain elements of queer theory that unleash new desires that can be exploited by capitalism. I'm sure it is very hard to see something that you truly believe has revolutionary potential go this path, but you must never forget that the arms and tentacles of capital stretch deeply into so many facets of society, and that mounting an obstacle towards it is so hard on so many levels these days. From my perspective, the best we can do now is to work towards capital's alignment with these beliefs to create civil liberties through bourgeois democracy. This will not be sufficient in creating large social change, but at the very least it will help to alleviate some of the repression faced by some people in certain contexts. I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. I had to come to terms with this fact last year as well. 🤝

river 2y ago

I will have to translate your tweet but ofcourse, if anyone actually got fired from their job for mistaking someone’s pronouns I would be opposed vehemently. I just was familiar with the panic in Canada around C-16 that to my knowledge has never actually happened. We should oppose all forms of inhumane rules and regulations that don’t take nuance into account.

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ish4k

this one is a classic example here in brazil, a nurse: https://twitter.com/rcruz80/status/1526904841909547013?s=46&t=9UybzH3ofqM2Stcuk28J-g

the hysteria is the same here. don’t get me wrong, my sister is queer, she’s married to a trans man, I’m butlerist myself. but as I’m seeing it, the reactionary part of the story is more and more on this side of the fence. we’re the ones asking for a new morality, a new dogma. we’re the ones asking for control and punitivism. we’re the ones forcing people to get vaxxed with an experiment. we’re the ones on big pharma/soros side. it seems like I’m living in a parallel universe. everything I’ve fought against my whole life is becoming “me”. there are religious people who will never accept some things, and this will never change. and we can’t complain about it anymore cuz well… here we are with our own particular dogmas and believes. “trust the science”. no, question the science. “regulate internet”. no, dude, internet was made to be free. we, the left, have become a bunch of “caga-regras”. and more and more, I’m certain that the main problem here is the metropolis model. as I’ve said many times here before, we need urban exodus urgently. we need to go back to small communities. we’re tribalists. there will always be this shit, ones against others and metropolis just makes it worse. you can’t change human nature, but you sure can change the environment. and then, finally, there’s soros. I’m writing an article about it, so I won’t extend it here, but the battle of seattle was the last great attempt to destroy the system. we ARE the system nowadays. cuz soros put billions and billions on our pockets to make it happen. I can’t be anything but against it all. in the name of our historical principles. which, btw, right is co-opting more and more.

river 2y ago

I really want to cut through the noise of this discourse and get at something you said, which I found really interesting. Mainly the idea of gender theory as envisioned by Judith Butler and others, becoming integrated into this emerging new capitalist order. It is perfectly true, in my estimation, that queer theory has no revolutionary impetus for addressing or challenging the system. I'm not discussing about the traditionalist system or the fascist system (which it definitely can subvert), but the essence of capital unleashed in the late 20th century. Queer theory and queerness has been absorbed by the system as has many other alternative lifestyles and counter-cultural movements throughout the 60s and 70s. With that being the case, we cannot dismiss the entire subject, but perhaps address the ways in which capital tries to subvert certain elements of queer theory that unleash new desires that can be exploited by capitalism. I'm sure it is very hard to see something that you truly believe has revolutionary potential go this path, but you must never forget that the arms and tentacles of capital stretch deeply into so many facets of society, and that mounting an obstacle towards it is so hard on so many levels these days. From my perspective, the best we can do now is to work towards capital's alignment with these beliefs to create civil liberties through bourgeois democracy. This will not be sufficient in creating large social change, but at the very least it will help to alleviate some of the repression faced by some people in certain contexts. I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. I had to come to terms with this fact last year as well. 🤝

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river

If you could provide me any example of anyone getting fired for accidentally calling someone by the wrong pronouns I would be very surprised. There is a difference between deliberately going out of you way to misgender someone many times (which a small minority of assholes will do) versus just struggling to learn someone’s pronouns or the concept in general (which I empathize with, I really do). I would never get upset with a random person being confused. I AM much more upset when my very own parents won’t even take the time to learn or understand.

I get that a small part of the queer community will weaponize identity politics and overly-gentle language to silence people. I would call such behavior out. But that has more to do with tone policing and political correctness then pronouns.

river 2y ago

It is fine to be critical with many parts of the queer community who were influenced by Judith butler but in a political sense, we all need to be united in the face of reactionary legislation. I am speaking as someone in the United States who is seeing waves of hysteria around queer people generally.

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ish4k

indeed. what bothers me is when working class heroes are fired for saying a “wrong” pronoun and stuff like that. it’s not what judith butler has taught, it’s precisely the opposite. it’s persecution, it’s revenge, it’s inverse violence against those the left “sworn” to protect in the first place. in the end, it’s all distraction sponsored by soros to implode everything we have built over the past centuries. as musk said, and here I must agree with him, soros is a magneto type who hates humanity and wants to destroy the very fabric of civilization, obsessed with the idea of superiority of mutants over people. the war was won on 90’s. they had to do something about it. they made up woke movement outta their arses and it’s indeed destroying all the historical principles the left used to follow for millenniums. you can call me “piece/of/shit” tho, no problem, lol

river 2y ago

If you could provide me any example of anyone getting fired for accidentally calling someone by the wrong pronouns I would be very surprised. There is a difference between deliberately going out of you way to misgender someone many times (which a small minority of assholes will do) versus just struggling to learn someone’s pronouns or the concept in general (which I empathize with, I really do). I would never get upset with a random person being confused. I AM much more upset when my very own parents won’t even take the time to learn or understand.

I get that a small part of the queer community will weaponize identity politics and overly-gentle language to silence people. I would call such behavior out. But that has more to do with tone policing and political correctness then pronouns.

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Nagihan Saka

: ))))))))))))))

river 2y ago

I don’t know shit about your language so I would never hold it against you for learning one of the more confusing languages of the world 😅😂😂 💕

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ish4k

western wokes and their pronouns have so much to learn with east…

river 2y ago

Well all have pronouns my fellow human. Some of us just want a more ambiguous category 🫡

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Nagihan Saka

English's he/she/it bothers me terribly.

We have the intelligence to understand whether we are talking about a man, a woman or an inanimate being.

After the Google translation translation, I also need to check them.

This distinction does not exist in Turkish.

So please ignore it. I'm not talking about anyone/thing new. : )))

The subject I mentioned before continues.

river 2y ago

I am a they/them #[1] 🙃 it’s okay it doesn’t translate too well

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rabble

Uh open street map has been a major project for a long time. And the maptastic client supports many map sources. We don’t need to reinvent things that other open projects do well.

river 2y ago

I personally use organic maps on iOS and it needs alot (ALOT)of work with voice directions but other than that it’s great

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river

Vegan breakfast

river 2y ago

https://holycowvegan.net/vegan-crack-chilli-tofu-noodle-bowls/

Here is how I prepared the tofu. Makes for a delicious egg substitute.

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ish4k

make sure you read all the five or six I just shared, lol

river 2y ago

Oh I will 😅😂

river 2y ago

Vegan breakfast

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ish4k

"In the 1990s, Mark Fisher’s philosophical reading of the cyberpunk novel gave us a persuasive theory of cyberspace as a prosthesis of humanity, a cybernetic nature, an extension of the human nervous system. For Fisher, akin to the characters in William Gibson’s druggy cyberpunk classic, Neuromancer, we are possessed by the internet; only as alive as the digital current that circulates in our veins. We are dispossessed of will, and inert as the machines that we get neurologically intimate with, letting them hack our endorphin channels and social impulses, addicted to their stimulants. Our neuroses, emotions and attention are ordered by our computers. As if in a trance, we follow the collective pattern of feeling transmitted to us—collective hypnosis, a feeling of shared outrage, fear, anger, joy, catharsis, justice, revenge, pleasure. Online, all impersonal worldly events are experienced as intensely personal, even if we don’t play a role in them. We internalize everything, struggle to see beyond ourselves, to see the mechanisms that are not centered on us. The internet is a claustrophobia of interiority that only appears to be ours. It ‘doesn’t work by suppression, or repression, but through a participative process … [It] doesn’t represent or even ‘manipulate’ public opinion but substitutes for it.’ All actions are reactions, predictable reactions, endless nervous systems swaying to the same rhythm."

(The Dark Forest Theory of the Internet, by Bogna Konior)

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