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ThyLobster
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Coder by day. Libertarian (it seems).

If we don't survive, thanks for all the cheese.

nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z I just did the thing where I sent zaps to all amethyst developers. I sent 1000 sats but I had to go and click on each one, go to wallet, approve, go back click another one, approve....

And some of them, including you, didn't work out because of no route in lightning but the button still showed "paid".

Question: is there a way to make one single payment where you just set the zap distribution yourself and the sats get send to each person?

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His name is Andres Freund.

You know nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m after much thought, I actually start agreeing - slack is just email.

Why not just use email?

I'm not sure I should write down these thoughts right now while I'm not sure about them, but if you are reading this apparently I did.

I think nostr may already be doomed for two reasons. And as a result of that, if I conclude as such, it would make sense to start working on a successor protocol. I've been taking some notes about what we should change if we started over, but that's the extent of it, I'm not working on a successor protocol. I'm only working on nostr. So don't misinterpret this note, which just represents some thoughts I've been having.

Reason one is the misaligned incentives of note copying. The incentives are to copy your notes to every relay you can, blast them out everywhere, to get more reach. That incentive doesn't go away until and unless all the clients do the outbox model. But they don't have an incentive to change, and there are people who don't give a fuck about fixing this and argue against fixing it and argue for note copying, and there is no way in a free society to make them care. So we can never fix this, and nostr will always be centralized in practice and never what it could have been. That means nostr is doomed and unfixable and we should make sure to start differently next time so this doesn't happen again.

Reason two is that the seed culture of nostr was far too monolithic: bitcoiners. What a culture develops into probably depends on how diverse its seed was. It's quite hard to get people onto nostr unless they are at least very bitcoin tolerant. Most people (yes, I think most) are put off by so much bitcoin promotion and related posts. Certainly people can follow anybody they want, and make their own independent cultures, perhaps even on a disjoint set of relays. But this isn't likely to happen due to the law of large numbers - there are far more ways for them to encounter and interact with the nest of bitcoiners then to not encounter and interact with them.

These are thoughts I'm entirely unsure about. Maybe I'm wrong in both cases. These are my worries.

You raise 2 good points.

I'm not sure about the model and technicalities but I would like to address the other point:

What if Nostr is a bitcoiners only club? What if we are in this closed loop echo chamber, with little tolerance for anybody non-bitcoin?

The thing Nostr needs the most is to be attacked and to ossify in time. Time will carry enough events (life events) that at any given point a tsunami of people can come suddenly looking for shelter. The protocol allows for them to come in.

I doubt that day never comes.

Having said that, I KNOW we are not very well like by the general population, and will increasingly be disliked since the propaganda of the fiat-bodies will rely on this exact premise.

Just like bitcoin - this all depends on how much freedom is each person's priority.

I think assholes are what makes the world go round! MOH ASSHOLES!

How do I share a list of podcasts without you having to import them?

I dunno.

But if you like politics and stuff I got quite a few.

Python, flutter? I got you.

Mainstreamers? Got it.

Some obscure ones including my own? Check.

I have a list of 71. Would you like me to share?

I disagree. The most important thing for Nostr now is time. Longevity.

Sooner or later, necessity will meet convenience and then the infrastructure will have its first wave.

There will be a time however where we elect governments and rules just like we pick water and electricity suppliers, and we should be able to select between the ones which provide a better service.

Having said that, we may end up with a Ryanair model which serves noone.