i mean, most of us have multiple social arenas in real life, so even if we drop out of one, we still have the rest.

well, only a handful of people make the effective decisions around how these networks are designed. if certain influential figures push something, it's likely to happen.

most of the Fediverse runs on Mastodon. what Eugen Rochko thinks matters a lot.

i don't know who's the most central figure in the design of Nostr, but i reckon if someone like Jack Dorsey says something, that'll make waves...

and i don't know what is the future of either network. if i'm connected to both and one fails, this means i have a backup.

non-centralised (decentralised, distributed) systems are all about redundancy and so if you use more of them, you have more redundancy on the human/user level.

you know, being active on both Nostr and my own Mastodon server is arguably *more* decentralised than just being active on one. one foot in each camp. 👌

the kind of Mastodon admin i am on berserker.town:

- reports are reviewed bit usually dismissed because most of them come from extremists who think disagreement is abuse

- it's up to the user what to block because i block nothing as an admin

because i will federate with anyone, my server is blocked by extremist admins here and there, but all in all, it talks to most of the Fediverse.

i run relay.berserker.town with 146 servers connected to it. small server owners like relays because they help with propagation.

and i'm not about to abandon my 2000+ followers on my main account there, you know...

more on coinbros: i'm okay with crypto and i'm a techie but it's not my hobby and i like to read and talk about other things, so i'm still waiting and seeing if more like-minded people will join, especially if i already know them from fedi.

this is a pretty big question to answer, but firstly, Nostr wasn't around when i joined in 2017. secondly, i run a multi-user instance there and a real community is beginning to form around it. thirdly, this place is still mostly just coinbros.

come to think of it, it would be within the realm of possibility to design a server that accepts a connection from a Mastodon client and proxies it to a Nostr relay pool. this would be especially easy to do if NIP-05 addresses are used for all the account names, since those essentially work the same way way as Mastodon account names do. at that point, you're no longer really on the Fediverse, but it could certainly help lower the barrier of entry.

if you took the frontend (client) of an ActivityPub server and modified it to talk directly to ActivityPub relays instead, you'd have something VERY close in concept to what Nostr does. Nostr basically eliminates instances. users sign off their messages with cryptographic keys instead and belong to no particular server.

drew up a diagram of how ActivityPub (the Fediverse) and Nostr works and how Mostr bridges them, and how non-spammy it is https://void.cat/d/AkrQm1XmBMuWApGZUBNG6c.webp

yeah so it just shows a lack of understanding of ActivityPub to assume that mostr.pub just blasts "all" traffic from the Fediverse. it couldn't possibly do that even if it tried. if a note comes from mostr.pub, it's for someone who follows a mostr.pub user, because that's how AP is designed.

it would be a gross mistake to just assume that relay.mostr.pub is spam traffic. i have it on my relay list in Damus (which has no built-in spam filter) and my global timeline doesn't have anything on it but legit accounts making legit posts. it's acrually far less spammy than the free relays on Nostr because it's so selective about what it bridges.

that's based on a mistaken assumption.

ActivityPub servers don't really pass traffic to each other unless they have a reason to, and that reason is usually followers.

unless an account on mostr.pub is following an account on another AP server, mostr.pub isn't going to receive traffic from that account, so there is nothing to forward to Nostr.

and unless an account on another AP server follows an account on mostr.pub, that AP server won't see any traffic from mostr.pub about that account.

mostr.pub basically passes traffic between follows and followers on either side, and nothing else. everything that comes from relay.mostr.pub is on the Nostr side there for a reason.

wrong account - please ignore

nostr.wine is paid but very popular. filter.nostr.wine is something you get access to if you pay, and it's similar to the spam filter in iris.to - filters your global timeline based on your social web of connections

you know, i've been thinking about what to do with my Nostr user indexer and one possibility is to set up a relay for fast querying of that. maybe stick a memcached in front of the MongoDB to speed it up.

my organic reach is 121 relays, but i think this is much helped by relay.mutinywallet.com.

so it appears that most of the public relays will just ignore any Fediverse posts i forward to them from mostr.pub via my server, whereas when i forward only my own posts via paid relays, that does work, and actually gets them published to more relays than i originally posted them to. free tier Nostr is a bit of a wasteland.

looks like several clients support note deletion but Damus isn't one of them.

meanwhile, on the Fediverse, after much arguing about it, they added support for edits.