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James Pierog
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Co-Founder & CEO of Bitcoin Prediction Market

I wish that was me haha

I think there are some huge selenite caves in Mexico, which is where the picture is from

Sounds like you’re offended. How about let’s start with why you believe everyone should switch to v4v if the vast majority of creators don’t know about it and don’t care.

I’ve put a lot of effort into trying to onboard artists and music producers onto different platforms and I’ve actually received their feedback. They don’t care. They mostly want to make art or music and share with the widest possible audience.

Where’s your proof of work besides being inspired by a podcaster?

Why don’t you get off your ass and try to onboard real users. Then you’ll see how hard it is to change people’s mind when it comes to the social platforms they use. Your talk is cheap. It reflects your lack of experience in actually building product and talking to users.

Try talking to artists who actually don’t give a shit. Biggest response to introducing money into art and music from artists I spoke to and tried to onboard to freedom tech apps were “money corrupts the art” and “now its about the money and not the art or music.”

It’s not what YOU believe, it’s what THEY want. Get outside of the room and actually try to get the revolution started and you’ll see how much of an uphill battle it is.

V4V is not the future because most people don’t actually desire a V4V future. Your naivety speaks volumes.

Yeah this is the standard response to any criticism to the echo chamber of nostr worship. I’m on here because I want freedom technology to flourish, but I also tried and failed to build freedom tech products that people want.

Maybe instead of spitballing cheap ideas you actually tried to build something your perspective would change. Talk to real users instead of larping online.

Value signal > virtue signal.

All you have is cheap talk with no real effort behind it. Creating a future where freedom can flourish isn’t gonna happen by someone else putting in effort on your behalf.

Lol yeah baseline this shit is not loading half the time

Beyond that who cares about censoring a bunch of plebs saying gm to each other

Nostr is not wikileaks, and twitter has way spicier content that still isn’t getting censored for some reason

I honestly get shocked at the level of vitriol that is allowed on twitter, and then coming to this free speech platform it’s as tame af

No need for censorship resistance if everyone is gonna just be friendly and self-censor to not hurt the feelings of their friends they met in the echo chamber

Desire provides the incentive

Value signal > virtue signal

If users don’t care about it, then devs shouldn’t build it. Wastes their time and effort when they could actually be building something with real impact

Yeah the unfortunate destiny for freedom tech development: doomed to fail or devs go to jail.

I think it’s a good attempt, but people are trying to build a friendly fun social for their friends, not wikileaks type platform exposing war crimes or uncomfortable truths that elites want to hide, and that normies are uncomfortable with.

The problem social devs are solving simply does not require censorship resistance if nobody is saying anything controversial…

Is nostr resistant to the self-censorship induced by the peer pressure of an echo chamber?

Nobody gonna censor nostr if nobody important is saying anything that is worth censoring

Most of this shit is gm anyways lmao who cares about censoring that

Censorship resistance is only tested once the censors apply pressure

Best of luck competing with the network effects of established and well-capitalised corporations.

Nostr might be cool tech, but it’ll remain niche until there are platforms with order of magnitude improvements in the eyes of ordinary users.

Trying to reinvent the wheel will only result in wasted work. Creator platforms already exist that seek to enable monetization, so v4v is not an actual selling point for normie creators. Bitcoin is also a tough sell unless you’re already orange-pilled and own sats. It’s an uphill battle.

Build something users want, that’s the only way they’ll use it. Don’t force tech down their throats because you drank the freedom tech kool aid.

The reality is nostr is competing with the network effects of established and well capitalised social media companies. VCs love network effects because they are a wonderful moat for a business.

Unless there is an order of magnitude improvement in some domain, nostr is destined to remain a niche platform for enthusiasts of freedom technology.

Censorship resistance doesn’t mean anything for those who are not getting censored.

Freedom means nothing for those who are happy with being enslaved.

Looking at the state of the world, are you bullish on people breaking out of their reality boxes and seeing through the veil, or would they be happier to remain ignorant?

Replying to Avatar Max DeMarco

Uncomfortable Nostr Reality check:

I've tried to Nostr-pill all my YouTube friends (some of them have incredible amounts of subs), but none of them care about the censorship resistance or decentralization. Even though they know Nostr exists, they have no incentive yet to come here. Their audience would follow them anywhere, but they need the tools to create community communications.

It's a sad reality, but it all comes down to usability, UX, and ultimately the easiness of paying and signing up for the community. None of these can afford to have a sign-up problem or issues with someone being interested in joining the community/their platform. It needs to work flawlessly and feel and look professional. Some of them charge $3-5k a year just to get access to this closed space, and people are willing to pay for this.

Another big pain point is community management. All of these YouTubers create these platforms to help their audience have a safe place to communicate with each other and build their own tribe.

Nostr is capable of facilitating all of this - we're just not there yet. We need to somehow invest so much more into UX and design.

All of this will come when the time is due. So, knowing that all of this is possible and that ultimately, Nostr will be powering most of these via the social graph, is what makes me extremely bullish. But also, let's not get ahead of ourselves and expect them to come already.

The UX and features are not there yet for these people. I am more than happy to help anybody trying to make this a reality. I want nothing more than having these people join Nostr. But I also totally understand their pain points. So, if you're a dev or a company working on this, please feel free to reach out - I can tell you all the issues they told me. Or just tell me how to best do this; maybe I can jump on a podcast so the issues are open-sourced for the whole community to hear.

#nostrdesign #asknostr

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Good to step outside of the echo chamber and hear some real feedback

Not too many ideologues on here will appreciate that though

The reason why secret power is the most powerful form of power is because people do not even realize it exists.

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The answer isn't binary. NOSTR is above made for resilience, that is the main goal. This means that NOSTR texts can even be printed on paper and you can verify they are texts from a specific author.

Privacy inside NOSTR is assured with the techniques that already exist today for specific usage cases like private messages:

A wants to write B, so the message is encrypted with the public key of B. This has been common for PGP emails. This isn't terrible for privacy, it is your private keys and you need to know where you are storing them.

If you are storing them on protonmail then that is a bad security practice because you can't prove they aren't copying/sharing them.

In NOSTR you can use a myriad of clients, including command line where you can trust that your private key isn't being shared.

Public keys in NOSTR define a public identity. They certify everyone that a specific key person is writing those messages. If you want to keep identities private, then use specific identities for that purpose.

Here the goal is that a well-known public person can continue to publish texts that anyone can verify as being from that person.

The second part is diversity of servers. There are today +400 NOSTR servers around the world. You can drop your message at a random server and the recipient will eventually download it. In some cases you can use I2P to talk with specific servers that then synchronize between themselves in I2P. It is very difficult for a gov-level actor to pinpoint these IP addresses and map them to specific content (messages) they sent.

In my opinion NOSTR is delivering the security level that OpenGPG has been building to achieve since 30 years ago.

I’d love to use some kind of nostr based private messaging protocol, but I have yet to find one. Something based on simple well-researched cryptography.

Alice and Bob should be able to find each other and just do a simple key exchange protocol. Then they can symmetric key encrypt all messages in their messaging session. Even better if the keys are ephemeral/single use. Regardless of the relays they use it shouldn’t compromise their privacy and if keys are ephemeral then it would be quite resistant to censorship.

Someone like opensats should fund some work in that direction. If u know of any nostr messaging apps/services please do recommend.

Nostr as it exists today is pretty terrible for privacy.

Reusing public keys as identities is not good for privacy.

Broadcasting unencrypted plaintext is not good for privacy.

Nostr for censorship resistance (as long as relays face no pressure from the state or intel orgs) is a reasonable argument. But nostr for privacy is not.

I’m wondering do u see something that I don’t? Where are you getting this idea that nostr is good privacy tech…?