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Replying to Avatar Jeff Swann

It is not anti capitalist based on any libertarian definition of capitalism I have ever encountered. Konkin's own words:

“Where the State divides and conquers its opposition, Libertarianism unites and liberates. Where the State beclouds, Libertarianism clarifies; where the State conceals, Libertarianism uncovers; where the State pardons, Libertarianism accuses.

Libertarianism elaborates an entire philosophy from one simple premise: initiatory violence or its threat (coercion) is wrong (immoral, evil, bad, supremely impractical, etc) and is forbidden; nothing else is.

Libertarianism, as developed to this point, discovered the problem and defined the solution: the State vs the Market. The Market is the sum of all voluntary human action. If one acts non-coercively, one is part of the Market. Thus did Economics become part of Libertarianism.”

“Libertarianism investigated the nature of man to explain his rights deriving from non-coercion. It immediately followed that man (woman, child, Martian, etc.) had an absolute right to this life and other property – and no other.

All theft is violence initiation, either the use of force to take property away involuntarily or to prevent receipt of goods or return of payment for those goods which were freely transferred by agreement.”

The State has laundered authoritarian & socialist policies under capitalist structures/labels, but that doesn't make capitalism the problem. And calling what is clearly an anti-athoritarian branch of libertarianism, a leftwing movement, really makes no sense given the authoritarian nature of basically all leftwing movements.

Those who claim to oppose heirarchy seem to only be people at the bottom who want to tear down those above them so that they can then violently insert themselves into positions of dominance. Look at the stupid defund the police movement where a bunch of leftists wanted to be given the police budget. They didn't want to end the subjugation of taxation that funds the police, they just want to be the collectors of the spoils. They want to exist in a heirarchy living at the expense of & above everyone else. They want others to be their slaves so they don't have to work.

I oppose hierarchy and I'm not at the bottom. I oppose hierarchy and I don't want to violently insert myself into positions of dominance. I want to see police, as we know them now, to be defunded and I don't want that money. If you think that of everyone then that betrays how you think, which is not an Agorist POV.

Again, i don't give a shit what you think. You might even be right. I am saying you're not an Agorist, you are an AnCap. People who are AnCap are totally free to use Counter-Economics as tactics.

I've made my point, and I doubt you're going to go back and change your twitter handle.

Replying to Avatar Jeff Swann

A lot of that seems a bit random & nit picky, but SEK3's opposition to "capitalism" sounds like a semantic issue. I don't think IP is consistent with free market capitalism & I have no desire to impose anything else via State power either. I don't think any good can really come from voting or political participation. I believe that sound money will erode the power of the State & eventually result in innovators being the primary holders of capital, & that people who contribute little will have little.

I would like to see the elimination of arbitrary authority in all forms, or to whatever degree possible. However, I don't think women or homosexuals are in any way oppressed today (maybe I would have felt differently living in the 60s or 70s, idk). If anything today they are incorrectly celebrated & given far too much special treatment for something they neither earned nor chose, having simply been born that way.

I work hard to avoid funding the State in every way possible. Given that he seems to want mindless workers to die off (or maybe he meant the mindless worker positions), idk what sense it really makes to call him leftwing as opposed to right. But that part of his position seems a bit unrealistic given that there are likely to always be functionally mindless people in some form or another.

The modern left being far more authoritarian than the modern right, & communists or socialists today more than willing to use the State to forward their agendas makes all anti-authoritarians rightwing in my book, but I also don't see a whole lot of value in the distinction. If we have to pick right or left I also think Hitler's socialism & racism was leftwing (the left in the US celebrated him before turning on him), just like the KKK was a southern leftwing movement, & today the left is still obsessed with race & identity.

Calling all anti-authoritarians right wing is just incorrect. You can't give new meanings to words. Was the Occupy Movement right wing?

Left means opposition to hierarchies; Capitalism encourages hierarchical thinking based on market manipulation and state capture.

I don't give a shit what you think of capitalism or authoritarianism or whatever. I'm just telling you Agorism is certainly a left wing ideology and is unequivocally not capitalist.

Better yet can you set up a page with this so I can link in the show notes?

Either I don't get it and its a very good idea or its several layers of dumb all the way down. The existence of this video just seems to dumb to be true.

Cars being the only way to get to most markets is a result of authoritarian policies. Cities that grew naturally before cars and Central Planning work better for people because they grew with freedom.

Does "AgoristView" mean? "My opinions are heavy influenced by Agorism" or "I am Agorism because someone anointed me King of Agorism. Anything I say is Agorism and I speak on behalf of all Agorists"?

At the end of the day NOSTR is still just social media, which makes it fundamentally bullshit.

I saw The Melvins at The Mystic Theatre in Petaluma tonight. Changed my life. That is all.

I asked a tattoo artist to give me a Snowden tattoo a few years back. He wouldn't do it. I got a viking tattoo instead. Lol

I've been screaming this from the rooftops for 10 years. I'm starting to get tired.