Using hashtag feeds or any other kind of "global" feed without specifying decently restricted or curated relays explicitly is the worst idea in the world and everybody should have known this.
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Reading your own replies and mentions from a free and open relay is less bad, but also wrong.
thank god, no one is taking this idea, seriously
This is like Greek to me.
Dude
How curate relay as best, nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8g2lcy6q ?
This is all well and good until you want to see an npub that uses shitty relays and the filtered ones can't find them.
nostr:npub15l9tnufcd6trnvlukcdfq5m636qu6mjhgjxlvrguenpwk4cc7t7qqrnfym I'm also a little lost on the message here..
how can we expect newer users to be able to identify decently curated relays?
We'll have to rely on something called "intelligence".
"Don't make me think!"
Just kidding, we can also have apps that automatically grab relays from friend recommendations or even recommendations by the app maintainers if nothing else is available, then use these for the user without them even knowing, and if they seem to like it keep using, but if they seem to dislike switch to other ones, all very automated and invisible and assuming the user has the intelligence of a worm, like the UX experts say we should do.
We can also do something in between, with suggestions that the user has to accept manually, or just making it easy for the user to, for example, click on a relay URL in a note from someone else and have the option to browse that relay and add it to a sidebar or topbar where they can go back there, then eventually add that relay to their own curated relay sets and recommend it to others, stuff like that. I don't have all the answer, as you may have noticed.
> automatically grab relays from friend recommendations or even recommendations by the app maintainers if nothing else is available
This sounds like a undocumented best practice that is different than outbox. Should we document this?
Good UX respects the user's time. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Not everyone lives for the technical aspects of Nostr. A surgeon, for example, may just want to hop on and provide value relevant to his expertise without spending hours figuring out how all this shit works.
Nostr is not for surgeons, it's for enthusiasts (currently). Good UX has to give enthusiasts room to play and discover new tricks.
Then these tricks can be made into shortcuts for the surgeons.
I think that both should exist (the beauty of client choice). Obviously it takes time to develop good UX. My point was more against the idea that good UX is for dumb people, which seemed to be implied with the worm comment (unless I misunderstood). I don't think the Nostr enthusiasts should ever be ran off. I just think both types are important for the growth and health of Nostr over time. And in fairness, a lot of the enthusiasts are already selling it to the non-enthusiasts as if it is for them right now. And they often come here and leave. But that's a different topic no one can control.
Amen
I guess I've only been here a week or so, but what exactly is the alternative to "hashtag feeds"? My options to pull content seem to be (a) a feed of hashtags and/or follows, (b) the Global firehouse, or... What exactly?
Is the expected behavior here that users are also supposed to carefully cultivate relays? Because then how is this different from a Federated model?