The only 3 truly censorship resistant technologies at scale I’m aware of are: bitcoin, nostr, and simplex.
More? Tor?
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Hi Jack
Keet seems hopeful as well. Torrents perhaps?
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The World Wide Web? Bittorrent?
IPFS and Zeronet. Both have serious flaws though…
Zeronet is a dead project now, sadly
It went to zero.
Server-sever models like Zeronet et al. aren’t very sustainable because costs for users are too high, and/or speed is too low.
Indeed, still thought worth noting… there are not many examples.
Thanks for sharing this. That's a bummer, was excited about this one and beginning to explore it further.
Tor doesn't scale, unfortunately.
Email scaled, and you could route outside of this censorship mess but no one does.
Ham radio, can work at scale, shame ppl don't use cuz it's hard. It could be as big if not bigger than centralized comms. We had a handle held repeater covering the whole city with full signal.
Electricity is censorship resistant. Sounds silly but it's not true for nat gas. Unless you have a well.
IRC scales, but too hard for most ppl.
XMPP scales but never took off.
I heard I2P and NYM are attempts at replacing Tor, but I’ve yet to verify if they do so effectively. It’s on my to-do list. Nym is newer, video on it below:
I2P has been around for a while I used it before tor
There is also Lokinet. No need for a special browser if installing on PC and you can also set up an armbian device like raspberry pi to be a wifi access point to give you acces to their onion routed network. I can vouch that it's way faster than Tor. You need to use the Linux build though as that is always the best supported one.
Would be nice if there were a way to incentivize TOR relays without the proof-of-stake model that Lokinet and NYM uses. Been meaning to explore this one-day, perhaps with Sats4Files and Lightning — not sure if it’s possible, but I’ll explore this eventually.
Don't know if you know but Jeff (lead lokinet developer who created it) resigned/quit Oxen. I showed him what we talked about on telegram. Below is his response
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yea let them know i am up for doing lokinet atop such
if LN or btc people want to fund dev i'm open to the prospect.
they'll get the features they want
stakeless lokinet could scale, certainly MUCH more so than tor
Thanks for chatting with him.
Sats4Files requires an advancement for Lightning called Eltoo, which we won’t get without a softfork. I’m currently scoping out sidechains that I could quickly build Eltoo on for a Sats4Files beta. Once we get that working, I’ll reach out so he can begin tinkering.
We must walk before we run.
FYI - He said you can DM him on Twitter whenever you want or email him.
Email: jeff@lokinet.io
Twitter: packet_manager
XMPP did take off. Google, Meta, Sony, Nintendo, Zoom, Apple and a vast amount of game developers (EA, LoL, Fortnite etc) all have XMPP incorporated into their products/projects.
Sustainability of this kind of non-minority people’ mentality 💪
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Si tu le dis on te croit jusqu'à preuve du contraire..
nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m Is #Nostr more censorship resistant than the #Fediverse?
No. Look what happened to bitcoiners there:
Technically, internet too, being the substrate for all of them! 🐶🐾🫡
Simplex to buy #bitcoin? They rip you off. Up to 20% premium.
I think Jack meant this https://simplex.chat/
Oh right 👍🏻
Bittorrent, ~tens of millions of nodes.
By that I mean the trackerless bittorrent, pure DHT, it is a marvel and very underappreciated
I'm curious to hear more about this. I'll do some research, but if you have any resources please send them my way 🙏
Wasn’t there reporting from 2013-14 suggesting that Tor had been compromised by the NSA?
I dont think so. They have methods to try to track some of it. But it's been more recent than that when they had the "Tor sucks" leak, talking about their problems with it.
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Bittorrent
Bittorrent
Session?
Tor isn't, exit nodes can be monitored, and easily identified
I can’t operate a #Bitcoin Full Node in the #UAE bc they blocked #Tor over here. …so I don’t think Tor is censorship resistant.
- Using raspberry PI
QBlock
No AT Protocol? oO
XMPP
It was this post i saw on twitter that made me to setup nostr! Thanks Jack!
1000%
These technologies give me hope for a better future. Let's make the future censorship resistant!
Simplex?
Não conheço, teria como me apresentar?
Ou publicar o link.
Obrigado
Can please explain me what is simplex?
And Reticulum
Bittorrent
Monero: actually used as a currency in the dark web, so it must be quite resistant, and dynamic block sizes scales it quite well
Why simplex?
@jack Matrix (decentralised E2E encrypted messenger) should also be included, especially since you can host your own private node.
Hey Jack, I am learning about them. First time I hear from you on Twitter. Just one day here…once I learn will invite my network here to join…
Silly but I joined the whole thing of bitcoin in 2015. I drove adoption in Africa but then I bought into the narrative of bitcoin is GOLD not money anymore and shifted into others…while still remained in BTC. Today I was shocked when someone Zapped me with 5 Sat. I had long stopped believing that btc was no more for small transaction…even when I did my masters on blockchain tech that was part of it…rethinking my positioning. So many of are “ lost” and shifted from btc and believes it’s no more good for smaller transactions…
What do you think about nym? https://nymtech.net/
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