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₿en Wehrman 5mo ago

For something as important and vital to our being as the shape/nature of our world, I would rather take the approach of logical questioning first rather than immediately jumping to the deeper levels of "But why would they lie about this? Is it a psyop to distract from other lies??"

Not that that isn't important to consider as well - it is. In the second half of our interview (dropping later today), we discuss exactly this: WHY, and WHY NOW?

I hope you take the time to watch, of course I will be more than open to hearing your points of skepticism on the topics we discuss in the episode!

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OpnState 5mo ago

Thank you, I appreciate the thoughtful post, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. However, in the numerous conversations that I've had with people who believe that the Earth is flat, it doesn't matter what kind of evidence you present. There's always a snapback to the undeniable claim that NASA is the root cause of essentially all evil in the world.

Let's take for example Flight LA809 from Santia Gochili to Sydney, Australia. It departs Santiago at 1.45 am. I think it's a weekly flight. This is a real flight, real people take this flight. You can track this flight in real time in flight tracking software, or you can even choose to take the flight yourself.

Now look at the flat earth map and wonder why it takes only 15 hours to go from Chile to Australia. If the earth really truly was flat as described by those maps, you would have to go over the Arctic.

But then again, I don't expect this to change your mind, since it's never changed the mind of anybody who believes the Earth is flat that ive spoken to.

₿en Wehrman 5mo ago

I honestly haven't dug much into the flight-tracking arguments, even though both flat-earthers and globe-earthers point to certain flights as convincing to prove their side

To me, if I had to pick one single argument that was the most convincing to me personally, it's the STARS/PLANETS, and their paths in the sky

How do you explain in the heliocentric model, how every star traces perfect circles around the north star, and every PLANET traces perfect sacred geometrical patterns around the north star, from our POV on Earth?

The "parallax" response does not cut it for me - that sounds like insane cope as these constellations have remained perfectly consistent for 6,000+ years of recorded history

What is your rebuttal to this?

OpnState 5mo ago

Oh, one more thing. I have spent numerous hours watching flat earth videos. In fact, I was so engrossed in trying to understand the reasoning and the logic that I've taken probably an entire year looking at very little else on YouTube.

Essentially, I see the entire movement as a new type of Luddite Push back against a scientific world that's become overly complicated and too difficult to understand.

The arguments for flat earth are usually simplistic, observable arguments that bend logic a certain way that most people won't be able to detect it.

Look, I don't deny that the moon landings can be fake. It doesn't mean that everything we've learnt about the shape of the earth is also fake. I highly doubt that NASA was controlling the world back in ancient Greek times.

I'll get off my soapbox since I've had this discussion many, many, many, many, many times without any kind of impact whatsoever.