The Earth is verifiably round.
Not everything is a psyop.
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Big Alpha Shield fan.
Ok bro - verify the round earth please
Ancient Greeks were able to determine that the surface of the Earth is curved by observing same-time shadow differences in like structures spanning their geography.
That same crude test can be extrapolated to hemispheres to illustrate day/night simultaneously.
Were the Greeks right? I think so, although I'd be open to a refutation that didn't deny the empirical.
Dude what? The earth is round based on this? How do YOU know its round.
Where do flat earthers suggest is the alternative course of the sun and moon? How do they move around the disk of the Earth?
We are trying to prove round earth. Not disprove flat earth.
Of course, given we have been lied to for centuries there are many questions.
My eyes tell me the earth is flat. So that's the starting point. Need to be convinced otherwise.
Just because my grade 2 teacher, NASA, MSM, Elon say otherwise doesn't make it so.
Sure.
I guess I lean towards disregarding those on the left's position that math is racist as well as those on the right's position that math is a psyop.
The calculations for determining shadow height differences at different spots on Earth for a given time (sun position) are relatively straightforward.
We have the technology now to verify those calculations simultaneously, which should be enough to deduce whether the Earth is more spherical vs disk shaped.
To be honest, I haven't look deeply into flat earth's hypothesis, but never ran into serious defenders of the idea before #Bitcoin Twitter.
If the sun was local wouldn't the shadow also be different at different places?
What do you mean local here?
I suppose much depends on the agreed/assumed size, energy, and distance of the sun.
If the sun was smaller than the moon and just miles above the disk-like Earth, then yes, shadows would vary regardless of position.
That still requires a hypothesis as to how parts of the disk were day vs night, and the path the sun and moon would follow to facilitate this.
It's a good meme. My thoughts below.
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Local meaning a few thousand miles above. Maybe the earth is electromagnetic and the sun and moon move like the hands of a clock.
Is the sun round?
Don't know
I'll try and find out what flat earth theory suggests in this case. I agree that if we are fundamentally wrong about things like the sun's size, shape, and distance, then alot of theories about the known universe are no longer valid.
Go out tonight and watch the moon. You can see with your own eyes that it is shaped as a sphere. Why would the earth be formed in any other way than this? So fucking stupid.
So fucking stupid.
No reason to be a dick; Alpha Shield is a great nym who has a long track record of being right on the things that matter (freedom, bitcoin, nostr).
Pretty sure he avoided the covid psyop like the best of them. To me, that makes him a friend.
I have too avoided covid psyop etc. But this is too stupid to go unanswered.
The government lied about war, drugs, covid, 911, fiat but they are telling the truth about space. Ok, got it.
They lied about all those things and moon expeditions, but that doesn't make the Earth flat.
I have zero trust in our experts, but the hypothesis about the shape of the planets and stars are much older than our shitty fiat gov.
The heliocentric model went main stream around the time the Rothschilds established what would become central banking
Yes, of courseβ¦the JEWSπ€‘
...Were evicted from many nations over the last centuries and earned a dismal collective reputation. Why?
A very large part of this can be explained by a very much higher mean IQ in among especially jews of east European descent compared to for example the general population of Germany or Sweden. The higher IQ leads to more success in trades that demand higher IQ for higher success. Just take a look at Nobel prize winners of natural sciencesπ€·
Other trades like banking, cultural disciplines etc will also bring a disproportionate amount of Jews to it. And the most successful of the criminal minds will also have a disproportionate amount of jews because of this. It is all a function of higher mean IQ, not a conspiracy.
The reaction from the majority society will always be that of envy and scape goating.
Well the old Hebrew texts teach that the world is flat. Who am i to disagree?
I have a question, how does water stick to a sphere traveling 450,000 miles per hour and spinning at 1000 miles per hour?
How does the sun stay together and not dissapate into the sky?
What? You are answering my question with a question? π
Yes. Both questions get at the same thing.
Why do things, like fire and water, stick to planets and stars instead of being diffused into space itself?
The current consensus view is grabity, no?
The same gravity that is strong enough to hold the ocean to the surface but weak enough for me to jump 2 feet in the air Or a butterfly to migrate and fly 3000 miles every year? That is some magical gravity π
The consensus view seemd to be that mass is key in understanding how gravity interacts with physical objects. Light extends from energy sources (the sun), ultimately inflicting the physics on objects in our local universe. The same is thought to happen in every universe. E = MC2.
https://www.quora.com/How-is-gravity-related-in-the-equation-E-mc-2?share=1
Then explain clouds. It can weigh up to 1 million pounds and floats in the air π
Evaporation, pressure, precipitation.
I understand how cloud forms but why wonβt it crash to earth when it weights 1 Million pounds and your magical gravity is pulling on it? π
Yes. Your scientific mind is truly impressive. So intelligent of you to see through all of the bullshit about
βGravityβ..obviously itβs a scamπ€·
No I am simply questioning his assertion that gravity works on mass, why wouldnβt it work on clouds that weigh 1 million pounds? If you donβt know just say you donβt know. No shame in that π
Consider how a kettle boils off water by heating it up, transforming it into a gaseous state which diffuses it's mass, changing how it interacts with gravity.
As the water cools, it will tranform from gas to liquid, again undergoing changes in mass and subsequent behavioral change under gravity. The result in condensation.
Heavy clouds are full of gas which get released when that gas state changes into liquid. The process of clouds raining is the same as condensation.
I'm going to stop replying to this thread because this Hans guy is being hysterical and destroying any earnest conversation that could be had.
I look forward to future discourse with you guys on a future thread. Now that I've blocked Hans he shouldn't see the next one.
Good read
No. Clouds is full of water droplets not gas π
Water droplets, not dense enough to form a liquid, also known as gas
The droplets are dispersed throughout the cloud, and when they come together the result is precipitation.
Therefor, the droplets do not weigh tonnes until they come together, for they are disbersed across the gaseous container of the cloud.
Gravity is a theory. Happens to be widely accepted. But a theory nonetheless.
The If the ocean had legs it wouldnβt have any problems to stand up. But it is a fluid and hasnβt got any and obeys the same gravity as the fluid in you, that follows the motions of your body.
When you die, Your muscles donβt function any more and cannot elevate your body from the couch. And the fluid in your body is returned into the ocean. π€‘
What? π Try spinning a ball and put some water on it, why wonβt it stick to the ball? That is a simple question.
Because as you pointed out, gravity is an extremely WEAK force that has to gather ENOURMOUS amounts of matter just to keep us from falling off the earth. The mass in a spinning ball has next to none gravitational pull, but the spinn of the same ball creates a centripetal force way beyond that. What are you talking about?!?!?
The earth is spinning 1000 miles / hour and that is not enough force to force it off the surface and yet clouds that weighs 1 million pounds can float in the air? Ok then π
lmao none of your βok thenβ accounted for or provided any verifiable evidence that shows that the earth is not a spinning globe
But Iβll give you a solid 6/10
No. That is not enough centripetal force in comparison with the gravitational pull of a whole planet. You know that the Earth makes ONE cirkulation/24 hours, no?
You have to learn to use your sceptical mind in an INTELLIGENT way. To doubt OBVIOUS facts known for centuries is not. Itβs just not. Tell me what shape the moon appears to have? Is it FLAT? Or does it appear to be a sphere?
I'm closer to Alpha Shield's side that all previously accepted empirical science has been undermined by false experts and gov corruption.
The question is where do the falsehoods end and the verifiable truth begins? Alot further down the line than 99% of people are willing to accept.
Here are a couple things that globe earth people tell me I should believe but I canβt:
- A gas can be next to a vacuum.
- Bodies of water at rest donβt lie flat but instead curve.
They are simply unproven nonsense claims.
Never thought about it deeply. I guess most havent.
I know the whole NASA thing became less viable for every hour of research and thinking I did.
So then we must ask "Why?"
My current perception is that NASA faking the space race with the Soviet Union was a true psyop meant to inculcate NPCs to scientism, to which I believe we are living through the endgame now: to introduce a global authoritarian state based on a manufactured religion of scientific "revelation".
Ok now we're talking. You get it.
Where I dont think were aligned is that I dont believe that the Greeks and Romans were in on the #GreatReset. Sure, they wanted a uni-state and even tried to coopt Christ, but their observations about the shape of the Earth and planets didnt prove to be transformative for over a millenium.
I think our corrupt global statist coalition has severely undermined our understanding of the natural world in order to prepare for a one world government, but I am less convinced that the Earth is a disk as a consequence.
I think the piece youβre missing is the satanic deception & attempt to hide Godβs creation.
Itβs not an elaborate great reset ploy.
I see, you're saying that the #GreatReset is but a battle in Satan's greater war on God.
Extending from that view, the deception *would* take place over centuries.
I... Actually agree with this general view.
The heliocentric model was not broadly accepted until the late 1500s as proposed by Nicolaus Copernicus. This kicked off the Copernicus Revolution and the beginning of Modern Science TM. Some say that Nicolaus "killed God" by introducing Science as the ultimate authority.
The timing just happens to coincide with the invention of the printing press in the late 1400s and the Catholic Church losing its grip on the State.
Nicolous went to Catholic school and was likely a priest.
His theories did not gain acceptance until AFTER he died.
Making more sense?
Have you been at high altitudes any time in your walks on the Globe? Did you find it harder to breathe or not?
Exactly π
I honestly think flat earthers are a psyop
The primary reason why this cannot be the case is that water is always going to be level no matter the size of the body of water.
We observe water in this manner in a glass, a bowl, a bucket, a pond, a pool and a lake.
Yet, somehow in our imaginations we've managed to convince ourselves that when it comes to oceans, the behaviour of water somehow defies everything else we observe. They even try explain away observations across lakes with refraction and mirages.
Trying to fathom the idea that we would all be flung across the air into the nearest solid object at a 1,000 miles if the Earth suddenly stopped spinning is a really comical concept.
If itβs flat or round, they are still trying to depopulate the globe orβ¦(disk?), and enslave humanity so im not sure the conclusion matters.
The only thing it would change for me is that Iβd stop everything I was doing and mount an expedition with the boys to the ice wall.