It's https://lumina.rocks/. The whole time Olas was down, my feed was full of people complaining that they can't post anymore pictures, but you can post kind 20 image notes from lumina, nostr.build, Amethyst, and Jumble, just to name a few, and Derek even jumped in with an emergency replacement, and they were all working fine.

But, when Olas went down, the picture feeds stalled out, as everyone stopped posting, all at once. It's like when Primal goes down or etc. Nobody thinks, "Oh, I'll just use a different one...." And lots of the people who "take a break, waiting for Nostr to get fixed" don't return. Lose users, everytime, due to this extreme centralization.

We're too much like the Matrix protocol, where you can use any interoperable client, so long as it's Element.

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Saw this for the first time in your post earlier. Looks good, have bookmarked.

haven’t even heard of lumina at all, thank you for sharing

nostr:npub1fq8vrf63vsrqjrwqgtwlvauqauc0yme6se8g8dqhcpf6tfs3equqntmzut is a serious, steady developer, that's just been quietly building on the same project, to little fanfare, in his spare time and on his own dime.

His relay is actually one of the most-active ones on Nostr because he aggregates from all over the world, and that's why we stream to-and-from it from our thecitadel document relay, to make sure that we don't miss out on someone's documents just because they're in Asia or Mexico, or something.

Well, it looks like I've found out why you haven't heard of it. I've been regularly posting links to pretty Lumina galleries, and I know you sometimes see my posts. But Primal swaps the links out, so you can't see them. πŸ₯΄

because primal devs are spechul, like the kinds at the special school

we are just their livestock, and damnit if we ain't an ornery bunch

Lumina rocks!

Neat! Will give it a go. Deleted Olas.

Did open sats fund olas?

He's on a long-term contract.

Pablo or olas?

I thought olas was abandoned.

Pablo. I think he just pushed another Olas update. It's all just sorta sporadic.

Wait, did Olas shut down?

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But seriously, that's a user side problem.

It's like 'OMG outlook isn't working anymore, email is dead'.

Yeah, but most Nostr users are like that. πŸ˜‚

Just clicked on the lumina .rocks link. Was invited to install the app. Could sign in with Amber and that process was flawless!! (First time experiencing it go so smoothly)

Wow, what lovely onboarding πŸ‘ Will be using it more for sure.

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Do I need to do anything special to post a kind 20 image with amethyst?

No idea. I've just used the viewer.

I've posted them from Jumble, Nostrudel Event Publisher, and Lumina, so far.

nostr:nprofile1qqsfnw64j8y3zesqlpz3qlf3lx6eutmu0cy6rluq96z0r4pa54tu5eqq8rtwq do you know if Amethyst also publishes, or just views?

Amethyst publishes. Go in the media tab (where you see the kind 10 feed) and make a new post from there, instead of from the regular feed.

Woah *spots the media tab*

oh nvm you already got it. Sorry, used a client for a moment that displays threads terribly so i missed it was addressed already :P

Thanks anyway 🫢

Nope, just go the that video/image viewer tab on the bottom (the middle one with the playbutton icon thingy). When you use the publish/post button there, it automatically makes a kind 20(picture) or kind22 (video) for you. :)

This thread is totally broken on Amethyst. Impossible for me to read it on Amethyst right now πŸ˜… the thread jumps all over the place all the time

yes, well.....this is mostly user error though.

take nostr:nprofile1qqsyfq5nwvm97w68vvfgpu7x38rwmlxrt4vdmg8yng0npys40qdhxtspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcynqmaw for example.

He came to Nostr 2 days ago and shared some pictures (they are amazing, go have a look). I informed him on the existence of kind20 and send him to Olas. Now Olas being shit, it did not work for him, but he found (as far as i can tell) Lumina all by himself, and started using that. I never heard of Lumina, neither had the jungle spirit btw.

Now he came from the fediverse and runs an IPFS-node (we can forgive him for both of those things), so he is knows his way around a computer lets say. Still, he figured it all out on his first day with a little bit of assistance, others might take some more time.

Now i am a big proponent to include multiple clients when ''onboarding'' people, to drive this point home immediately, so thats something ''we'' can do. And perhaps we should also stop recommending stuff Pablo makes, because he just leaves a trace of crappy minimal barely/not even viable prototype abandonware, which absolutely has its purpose if you ask me.

But we should also accept that the user base has to adjust to the paradigm, just as much as developers and everyone else in this world has to.

In my defense I set up two self hosted blossom servers yesterday - route96 and nostrcheck-server.

Both of them puke on large video uploads, so I guess ipfs is winning ;)

https://nostrfiles.macneilmediagroup.com

I like nostr a lot, but I’m OK with these sorts of projects. As it currently stands, this is not something that I would recommend to most people, unless I was willing to handhold them through it.

From a usability standpoint, I would probably direct more non-technical people to the fediverse, but that can change overnight. Lots of things here are very broken and key management is a new and unconventional paradigm for the general public.