I have a lot to say about this.
Could you explain why a UTXO is not a qubit? It appears to me Satoshi solved decoherence 16 years ago and NOBODY has recognized it.
What role might centralization play in quantum computing?
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Jack I know youāre super smart, so I respect your point of view immensely. Help me understand the context of your question better.
Fundamentally, quantum mechanics has been a language problem since discovery. We havenāt had a ālanguageā to actually understand and communicate it until bitcoin; which describes the relationship of energy, information and time. Use Bitcoin as the lens to think through.
What physicists call a qubit has an identical nature to UTXO. In both, energy is fundamental.
Superposition: UTXOs are in a constant state of spendability (0 or 1) and their state is unknown until blocks are mined; only probabilistic.
Entanglement: A single UTXO can be sent to infinite addresses, split innumerable ways, can interact with any other UTXO and can interact with UTXOs from different times. Remember, all UTXOs exist in the past except the ones in the present block.
Measurement: Mining is the measurement of hashes per valid nonce and the measurement collapses the indeterminate block config into a single deterministic verifiable state. This also sets the direction in quantum measurement (which UTXOs become spent and which remain unspent)
UTXOs persist indefinitely through time; it appears Satoshi solved decoherence 16 years ago. Again, itās a language and expectation problem. We are told QM is too complex to for us understand, trust the physicists.
The ledger is the ātimespaceā (history from Genesis) and the current block is the āspacetimeā or the present.
Given this context, is it possible a UTXO is a qubit? What properties is a UTXO missing to be one?
What effects could centralization have on a quantum system? (Think Bitcoin, ownership, nodes, mining)
What is more important for a quantum computer to compute than perfect money and a shared equal reality with no singular observer?
Makes me think of the qubit explanation in this video
Yes!
This discussion was actually what brought all of the pieces together for me. I have been thinking about how to approach Frederico about Bitcoin and this idea. He 99% of the way there without saying āBitcoinā.
Surely itās not a coincidence heās created the first commercial microprocessor and heās arrived here.
Most physicists discussing āinformational physicsā are simply missing Bitcoin; they want the credit for what Satoshi already created.
Understanding level: 30%. Interest level: 100%.
This is a dope analogy. Do you have thoughts on manifestation into practical applications? Can you build a compute engine using this info or are there other uses?
I have very little programming experience; I donāt know what is possible. I do believe it is imperative for those who are building on top of bitcoin to understand this.
I will say, it appears free human action is the computation we are looking for.
Will a peer to peer electronic cash system compute and coordinate the collaboration and complexity we all desire?
Thought experiment: what if nodes are where/when the observable flux action āknotsā axiomatic/math-based probability with the heretofore unknown. The edge of spacetime on the blockchain.
And maybe anonymous decentralization (of nodes but also of spender-receiver) may be figured as spooky action at a distance still enmeshed/entangled with the social contract underlying the relativistic āinherent valueā of any tokenized truth-exchange.
Hum, but what is the QT parallel to the free market?
Consensus is everything.
The conservation of energy using a peer to peer electronic (energy) cash system is how the universe operates. Conservation of energy is fundamental, even between systems.
It seems we are disregarding more esoteric forms of consciousness determining value in ways we cannot perceive. You must confront consciousness in Quantum Theory. Bitcoin has no hesitation in doing so.
We can only look forward into bitcoin. Imagine being āinside Bitcoinā and trying to look back and outward at us. Perspective.
In my opinion thereās much to learn about the universe from Bitcoin, starting with temperature and the awful semantics we call the āBig Bangā. Why else can we look back? Sure its not timespace š
Bitcoin is the closest thing weāve ever had to an objective observer position between time, energy, and data.
This is an awesome vehicle by which to draw comparisons between the odd behaviors of quantum and relatable classical systems.
I donāt believe however they are the same thing. Bitcoin is a complex system that just so happens to emit similar emergent properties as quantum.
Where things break down are in the details. Like where actual entangled particles can influence each other from infinite distance.
Well yes, but what we view as particles have the same behavior as UTXOs, except bitcoin exists in one system forward (universe inside of a universe). UTXOs from the past can exert influence on UTXOs in the present; how do you measure how far addresses are apart from each other?
I believe this is a more wholistic answer to spacetime; weāve neglected to observe timespace this whole time. I donāt claim to have all the answers, but it is clear this is the lens to find them.
Because the Genesis Block UTXO is unspendable, letās talk about the UTXO in Block 1; the furthest UTXO away from us in time. Is this a distance?
If that UTXO in Block 1 was to move in the next block, do you think it would exert influence on other UTXOs, or the humans making decisions behind their UTXOs?
nostr:nprofile1qqsg2zqd8wkhpnxu6lm5c2dyfa2mhpwte57apjae2ldp6g2mmwf3ypqce0wa2 I loved your video yesterday on quantum. This is a great analogy/explanation. Wow. Great post!
nostr:nprofile1qqsg2zqd8wkhpnxu6lm5c2dyfa2mhpwte57apjae2ldp6g2mmwf3ypqce0wa2 oops I got trigger happy tagging you! Haha
There isnāt a wave function describing the evolution of a UTXO. Not sure you can really compare UTXOs to qubits.
Following your logic regular bits are also qubits.
Generally the way I have been approaching this is that a UTXO exhibits the properties of a particle in an unspent state and the properties of a wave in a spent state (when it is moving between addresses) we have to remember the time scale between events is enormous when comparing a wave function to Block Time.
Please explain how regular bits are qubits?
A UTXO is always in an unspent state. UTXOās are instantly created/destroyed as new blocks are mined. Time doesnāt exist for a UTXO.
I fail to see how the analogy helps to understand bitcoin. But thatās only my view.
Yes but we actually donāt know if a UTXO will be spent in the next block (superposition) until the block is mined (measured) and confirmed.
Only by looking to the past can you derive ultimate certainty for that discrete unit of time, but this is the PAST state, not the present state. You literally donāt know its present state, yet it is fully probabilistic in nature where it will be in the next block. When spent, the UTXO ceases to exist as an independent particle/ data entry in space (memory), and new UTXOs emerge in its place in new space (memory)
Time does exist for UTXOs, it is called blocks. Itās literally a measurement of distance between UTXOs (particles) in time. The UTXO only actually exists in memory of the block in which the transaction was observed (mined) in time. Bitcoin certainly quantized time.
You might be confusing a few things:
- Your use the term probabilistic here isnāt appropriate as one could know the future state of a given UTXO before a block is added to the chain. Colluding with every miner would allow this.
- A UTXO doesnāt evolve as a function of time. It is created and destroyed, this without a causal link to time or block height.
Still probabilistic. You still donāt know who will mine a block unless you absolutely control 100% of the hash with pure certainty. And that would also require a singular entity/observer always deciding which transactions are included or which qubits are measured. Why is the starting to sound like traditional quantum computing?
What do you mean without a link to time? You know deterministically when a UTXO was occupying a point in space (memory) and when it was not; full history
The day you can show one of your UTXO spend itself at random without you initiating a transaction then maybe itās quantum (more likely you have been hacked).
Really check your definition of āprobabilisticā
Thatās not what I am saying. Yes you have absolute certainty about your UTXOs only because you are the owner and controller. No other UTXO will have absolute certainty and its location in the next block is probabilistic. Iām talking about the entire UTXO set.
And regardless, you can broadcast a transaction with high fees and not get mined; itās still probabilistic even when visibly broadcasted to peopleās mempool.
Thatās why Bitcoin is so interesting
In my humble opinion, Bitcoin is more than interesting; itās the answer physicists have been looking for over the past 125 years when Max Planck originally proposed the concept of quanta.
We finally have a language and a system to understand it all.
Now the battle is against the fiat institutionalization in academia. Bitcoin doesnāt just fix physics, it completes it.
And it seems to be to only way to push civilisation forward by escaping the system of incentivesing people stealing from each other
So how would you compute with a utxo before/after it is spent. What about entanglement? It is such a misunderstanding that superposition is what makes quantum special (or difficult). Superposition happens classically all the time. Go look at light through a prism or waves in the oceanā¦