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The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

In case anyone is curious what some nerd who has 0 knowledge of how the #Bitcoin network operates, look no further from the scamourai/ whoredinal scam crowd. All they want is to ruin things and blame others for it. Well too bad you little pathetic scamming uneducated pussy, cry harder that the most decentralized pool is enacting filters which fix the only exploit necessary to fix to move Bitcoin into the dominant future it deserves. Sorry your shitty centralized XMR project is not going to surpass 2bil market cap unless you get the devs to force a nother hard fork. Sorry you outrageously ignorant imbecile, that reality wont change.

Oh yea also YOURE A FAGGOT

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Who cares? It's open source and permissionless. You can opt out.

If you don't like an update you can swap your Monero for a different crypto or you can fork the code. Not even the scary devs can stop you.

Meanwhile in BTC everyone is just as beholden to Bitcoin Core and Blockstream and two KYC mining pools control over 51% of hashpower...even BCH is more decentralized in node software.

https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

lmfao beholden to core? Nah knots exists and more and more people are running it every day due to retards like you who support bullshit like scamorai and ordinals. "If you don't like an update you can swap your Monero " no you cant, you cant just swap to get rid of a monero update. Thats so fucking delusional. Fluffy pony signs off on the next hardfork and you have to accept it regardless of your opinion. Thats what being beholden is really like you moron. Its funny to complain about KYC mining pools when a really awesome non KYC alternative called ocean mining exists which also happens to be the most profitable pool by far. And yea if you cared about a majority attack on PoW chains worth their salt you wouldnt be mindlessly shilling Bonero the centralized captured bloated economically unsuitable coin which only provides privacy for the 1% of its users who actually use it in a p2p style and not to gamble on offshore exchanges with the hopes they wont end up like the bitfinex hackers. If you actually cared to help fix the problems you wouldnt act like such a fucking sleaze

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Idgaf about samourai, ordinals, knots, or whatever other bandaid cope solution is going on in btc land rn. All of those things exist because btc isn't private and therefore not fungible so you can readily do stupid ass shit like ordinals in the first place or perform targeted censorship.

I didn't say swapping "gets rid of a Monero update", but I understand why you had to pretend I did to make your stupid ass argument. I said you can OPT OUT by swapping. You're acting like you are forever stuck on Monero. No one is forcing you to use or stay on Monero or run their updated software. That's exactly how Monero was created in the first place. Users swapped out or forked off.

The 1% users having privacy is quite the reach considering Monero is delisted almost everywhere, and was just recently delisted from Binance - the largest exchange in the world. Bitcoin on the other hand - accepted at every KYC centralized exchange and their users love centralized custodial solutions like WoS, Liquid, and Ecash 🥳. Your blockchain always has zero privacy no matter how many coinjoins the 0.01% of your userbase does to obfuscate ownership.

No amounts or addresses visible on Monero, period. Sender obfuscated by default. You've had 15 years. Catch up.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Lmao yes you do care about that shit its literally what thread you are responding to try paying attention I know its not your strong suit. You literally said to swap if you dont like an update which is the most pathetic thing ive ever heard. sure I can sell if I dont like monero, I intend to, you think id hold that piece of utter centralized crap lmfaooo!

"The 1% users having privacy is quite the reach considering Monero is delisted almost everywhere" imagine celebrating being delisted, couldnt be me, your users have to swim through swamps of KYC to even get to a fraction of liquidity all to have their funds trapped on a centralized exchange that will rat them out to any government in an instant. Thats all monero is for anyway, pretending you care about privacy for long enough to swap into Bitcoin the only acceptable digital currency that exists over a centralized exchange because yes 99% of ALL crypto users use centralized non p2p services, you being a little nerd doesnt change that fact sorry bud.

Just because we have more volume in our centralized solutions than you do in your entire chain doesn't mean bitcoin isnt used in a p2p fashion, heard of lightning? Its quite literally 70% self run nodes not custodial at all, literally the entire network depends on p2p mechanics other than monero which can literally be sybil attacked by AWS and chinese bot farms on the consensus mechanism level (due to fluffy pony and other central devs distaste for natural hardware decentralization, they want to be completely dependent on AMD and Intel for their consensus mechanism as any good centralized protocol should be.

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

I responded to your Monero comment and didn't say a single word about samourai or your beloved brown knots in my original comment. But youre still seething too hard about someone else in another comment thread to read correctly. Yes, you should pay attention. Yea that's very different from me saying that I said you can "stop a monero update" by swapping (All we have to do is scroll up and read to prove you wrong).

How do Monero users "swim through swamps of KYC" if it is delisted everywhere? Choose an argument. Are we "celebrating being delisted" everywhere? Or are we not being delisted? Make up your mind. The fuck. You can use a DEX, you don't have to KYC and bend over every time they ask you to. But hey man if thats your thing I'm not judging.

Your entire LN rube goldberg network that no one uses without custodians or LSPs that can see everything they do is a tenth the size of Monero. Liquid is 99.9% empty blocks. And all your coinjoin protocols combined are still smaller than Monero. It's sad. Bitcoin is 99% p2p larps, speculators, and tradfi.

We can pick apart the totally bullshit "70% self run" LN nodes by just looking at how many Bitcoin nodes exist vs Bitcoin users. You're telling me that even though only a tiny fraction of Bitcoin users run their own simple nodes...those same users suddenly decide to deal with all the complexities of running an LN node? What are you smoking? Sounds fun

I'll humor you. Let's say that were true. Sybil attacks have absolutely zero effect on Monero encrypted amounts and receivers, but you're probably too stupid to know that. "Hey some user sent Monero", "How much?", "Dunno", "To who?", "Dunno". Sounds devastating! lmfao

Meanwhile poor saps are being thrown in prison for a Bitcoin transaction they made 10+ years ago (not hypothetical).

The computer you're running your bitcoin wallet or node on has AMD or Intel chips, genius. Vast majority of ASICs come from two manufacturers so I guess that makes us both huh?

https://bitnodes.io/

https://liquid.network/blocks

https://x.com/mikehassard/status/1767596230299824555?s=20

https://www.torekeland.com/roman-sterlingov/

Lucky Kite 1y ago

'LN rube goldberg network'

thats a perfect description. Hilarious because its true. thanks!

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Its hilarious because neither of you are working on or could ever come up with a solution but you will spend all day lying to others on the internet about it. My experience with lightning has been wonderful sorry that yours hasn't (I seriously doubt youve ever used it)

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

-Need to fund channels before you can even use (the fuck)

-No static/offline addresses

-Can be rugged if node goes offline

-Can be force closed back on-chain against your will (wasting time and money)

-Can fail to send payment

-Can't handle larger payments

The payment network of the future! 🤩

Bro, even LNs literal creator and devs think it's trash lol

https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/ln-blackpill/

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

1) Come up with a better solution

2) Come up with a better solution

3) Come up with a better solution

4) Come up with a better solution

5) Come up with a better solution

6) You cant because all you can do is whine and complain

Lmao you shared a post made by Paul Storzc the moron behind drivechains. Thats not the creator of lightning whatsoever, thats a guy failing to push an alternate l2 for which he cant even implement in coe. Typical foolishness once again, or as I like to call it retarded fuck wit ery

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

I don't need to come up with a better solution to recognize something is trash.

The creator Tadge Dryja is in the first quote if you can read.

Who gives af who it came from. Are the facts and quotes true or not?

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Tadge Dryja may have played a huge part in lightning but its creation is the result of a truly decentralized group of people working and testing something in implementation without the permission of some faggot named Riccardo Spagni who denies working for interpol and placing backdoors into popular monero wallets even though he clearly has done those things.

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

You care more about Fluffy than any Monero user I've known. He hasnt been involved in Monero for awhile nor did he create Moneros protocol.

Lol @ backdoors

Let's look at some quotes from a few well known Bitcoiners and a few LN devs:

"it's quite terrible...~95% of users have their lightning address set to a custodial wallet" -Benthecarman

https://x.com/benthecarman/status/1638006709741289474?s=20

https://zapalytics.com

"The problems with LN..." -Paul Sztorc

https://twitter.com/Truthcoin/status/1719388665107947959

"Lightning Network -- Fundamental Limitations" -Paul Sztorc

https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/lightning-limitations

"I consider LN a done deal..." -SBW

https://njump.me/nevent1qqsv5jyfh9gp2qnhruevrph39s2mspzfw3e9mx5avg0wenltrdjnnhgsx4pzg

"I think this new class of replacement cycling attacks puts lightning in a very perilous position, where only a sustainable fix can happen at the

base-layer" -Antoine Riard

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-October/004154.html

"...I am scared that even in Mastering lightning we won't be able to fix that" -Rene Pickhardt

https://twitter.com/renepickhardt/status/1298918019159207942

"Lightning = unreliable by design" -Rene Pickhardt, LN developer

https://x.com/renepickhardt/status/1726331107560542707

"Threats to Lightning Network..." -Alex Bosworth

https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/1400467321093713923

"One of the biggest supporters of Lightning...Learned TODAY how payment channels work" -Eric Wall

https://x.com/ercwl/status/1725903544660705728?s=20

https://x.com/fiatjaf/status/1617295539472683010?s=20

"...All you can build is a half-working payment channel network" -Fiatjaf

“In the future, if you have this one-megabyte restricted blocksize and the Lightning Network, it is still the rich people and companies that can use lightning but the average user probably can’t.” -Tadge Dryja, co-author of The Lightning Network White Paper

https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/tadge-dryja-on-the-limitations-of-the-lightning-network

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Sorry your small dick has to be projected on to the rest of the world, its ok to admit you know nothing about the things you are lying about to the world, its ok dude

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

It's crazy that my small dick still works better than the lightning network

goatmeal 1y ago

stapling the EVM to bitcoin is an infinitely better solution than lightning and several teams are already doing that, but it's too late because ethereum and its rollups are literally right now the most popular bitcoin scaling solution. you just don't want to hear it.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

We've found it, the most retardedest opinion possible. Where should I mail your reward?

goatmeal 1y ago

I'm not even wrong. lightning has 4600 bitcoins deposited into it. the top capacity nodes are all exchanges or some kind of custodian. systems on entirely separate blockchains have more bitcoins deposited into them. a single non-custodial system called threshold has 2900 bitcoins deposited into it, and there's over a hundred thousand more bitcoins deposited into other systems with varying degrees of trust involved. the EVM is the most popular bitcoin scaling solution today, and it's a verifiable fact. when it comes to scaling bitcoin the market has spoken already, you just don't want to hear it.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Just because some VC isnt blindly pumping fake liquidity into the network like you expect them to in daddy money EVM land doesnt mean its not operating. My node is working amazingly well, it backs itself up twice daily and has never encountered an issue. EVM is centralized garbage that cannot properly define integers.

goatmeal 1y ago

the fact remains, the most popular way to scale bitcoin is by locking coins in a HTLC and issuing tokens against them on a separate blockchain using a smart contract. if the lightning network didn't have so many intractable flaws, people wouldn't have gravitated toward an EVM solution. if the lightning network is so wonderful, it would have the most bitcoins deposited into it. I keep hearing over and over again that the market cap of bitcoin is evidence that it is the best thing ever, but for some magical reason this same logic doesn't apply to the TVL of scaling solutions. your devs had 8 years to fix lightning and they wasted it huffing paint behind a dumpster the whole time.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

thats not scaling thats a ponzi scheme lol

goatmeal 1y ago

it's literally what blockstream liquid does. even lightning does this. it's bitcoins locked in a HTLC where they get unlocked on some other accounting system somewhere else. sometimes there is a decentralized two way peg like in the case of threshold tbtc or even lightning, and sometimes there actually isn't like in the case of blockstream liquid. people spent a lot of time talking about decentralized two way pegs. this whole thing is enabled by segwit, which made HTLCs possible in the first place. I guess you were not paying attention, all you focus on is lightning, and there are no other scaling solutions. I get the feeling that you have never actually studied any of these moving parts.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

lmao youre just flip flopping and redefining things, I dont have time for such scatterbrain arguments, just fuck off you aint convincing me of squat

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

"your devs" yadda yadda yadda , get your faggot money talk out of here clown, I AM my devs

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

EVM doesnt scale period, you speak like a total end user and its hilarious. I can tell you have zero developer experience. Take your word salad back to the web3 metaverse bro

goatmeal 1y ago

you can't own your own money on lightning without making transactions on L1, and there is a limited capacity for people to do that. since this pressure exists, people are pushed into lightning custodians where they don't own their own money. lightning doesn't actually scale, it just rearranges itself into a custodial system by emulating banking. a good scaling solution would enable users to obtain coins on L2 and actually own them without having to directly touch L1. then L2 transactions would get compressed into proofs and inserted into L1 blocks. each L2 user would collectively pay into L1 transaction fees by having their transactions included in a proof. this blows the lid off of the node requirements, since the security is inherited from L1 once a transaction is published in a L1 proof. there are good scaling solutions and lightning simply isn't one of them.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

you have no clue what you're talking about, there are zero l2s that never touch l1, if they never touched l1 how would you go on and off dipshit? You are so dumb it hurts, please stop. Forreal

goatmeal 1y ago

you do touch L1, but only to get on and off, it only needs to happen to a coin once, and not everyone has to do it to maintain sovereignty. a person could transfer a million coins to a rollup, send them to other people who have never touched L1 before, and all the recipients would actually own them. this isn't possible with lightning. rollups don't use payment channels, they don't have concepts like inbound liquidity, and they don't require an individual user to interact with L1 to start owning his own coins. with lightning, you have to open your own channels from time to time and do L1 transactions to top off your inbound liquidity. there are also other limitations with payment channels that don't apply to rollups, such as routing issues and the size of payments.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

lol still you have no clue what you are saying, you suppose people have sovereignty because they depend on other people to move liquidity for them? Are you even aware of what you are saying dude, I cant imagine you are

goatmeal 1y ago

so you've got the people who are stupid enough to muck around with

lightning, maybe if they are having a good time it's because a custodian

is taking care of them and they have no sovereignty, or they are

masochist neckbeard basement virgins who install gentoo.

then you've got the people who said fuck this, I'll just use monero or one of the ethereum rollups or litecoin or something.

the

second group of people isn't going to come back to bitcoin and use one

of those EVM contraptions that got stapled to it. they're not going to

sit around and wait for drivechains to exist. they already left the room

and they already found something that is working for them. that also

goes for the developers. the people who are ruining bitcoin have

actually driven away all the competent developers who are capable of

inventing an original scaling solution for bitcoin that doesn't

completely suck. that's why all you have right now is lightning and a

couple of guys who are trying to attach an EVM with duct tape and wood

glue. everyone else already took off. you are living in the aftermath of a brain drain agenda.

LogicallyMinded 1y ago

I like the #eCash / #XEC on-chain scaling roadmap.

Lucky Kite 1y ago

the lightning network and setting up nodes are even harder to understand and set up than bitcoin and bitcoin nodes. the idea that this is going to improve bitcoin usage among normal people is a farce, the only way it *might* is with custodial garbage like WoS and alby. And even that isnt likely as you still have to get bitcoin before you can get sats/ via LN. LN network is devolving bitcoin, not evolving it. It is lamer than paypal, that has less cons.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

being technologically incompetent is not a good criticism for an entire network, setting up lightning is fucking easy. get beter

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Lmao have fun lying to yourself and others, I dont have time to read bullshit posted by some retard

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

You started posting essays so I thought I would return the favor.

It's for the best. You would just end up looking stupid if you replied to it anyway.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Oh no I am so utterly self conscious about how lesser more idiotic nostr users perceive my intelligence, what oh what could I do to restore this most important of all reputations oh wise one!?

ede3d957... 1y ago

Bullshit? Lies? Retards? Idiots?...

All I see is insults and zero arguments. It reads like you are trying to hide your insecurity behind strong words.

ede3d957... 1y ago

What is so special about you that we should listen to you when many OGs like Nick Szabo, Andreas Antonopolous, Amir Taki and even Peter Todd are seeing value in Monero?

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

No one is using lightning:

https://void.cat/d/5A4PmHA1VbyQKD5VvyW3K5.webp

In actuality no one is using monero in a truly p2p fashion.

There is little to no evidence that monero has even a fraction of the full node graph that bitcoin and lightning has. Cry harder about it why dont you.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

https://void.cat/d/UMK9KJJKMbfFHj9GqF9jK4.webp

Monero KYC swamps that majority of "Users" literally need to get any exit liquidity ever

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Learn to use DEXs p2p and stop bending over for KYC

This is why earlier I said 99% of bitcoiners are p2p larps. You're a great example.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Im literally on th efront lines of p2p dex development and I can tell you with certainty we will not overtake centralized exchange volume for atleast 5 years. For now its kyc swamps for most everyone which removes any illusion of l1 privacy your coin gives you, the only privacy you can actually have is the one that you maintain entirely on your own, the thought of trusting some peer to peer network for privacy is completely flawed.

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Ok, if that is the case then why do you keep crying about KYC CEXs? The true test and only unstoppable metric is how your coin is doing on DEXs and p2p markets. Regulators can impose arbitrary requirement and cut-off any coin from a CEX at any moment they choose. Adoption there means jack shit for permissionless money.

Using Monero, Bitcoin, or any coin on a CEX is the same level of surveillance. It's not unique to Monero.

If we are talking p2p use - using Monero OFF OF AN EXCHANGE is a world of difference for privacy and anoymity vs Bitcoin or just about any other coin.

You must not know how encryption works. No amounts or addresses visible on chain. I'll give you an xmr address to look up and prove me wrong right now if you want.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Lmao, I know how CEXs work which have the majority of liquidity which is literally essential for it to be useful as a currency whatsoever. but nah im sure p2p markets are totally solving issues for everyone bro not just tech nerds buying furry porn over tor. I believe you bro dont worry

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

The most cucked thing I ever read. You sure you are "on the front lines of p2p dex development"?

Lol, now apply your logic to optional "privacy" on Bitcoin. Everyone isn't going to jump 100 hoops to attain it, "just tech nerds", like you say. And they aren't going to deal with running a LN node either!

If it leads users into using the thing custodially...IT ISNT A SOLUTION AND NOT SOLVING SHIT

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

The difference is that I am not lying about the state of these things and you are, I never claimed any of the things you are. They'll be solved when faggots like you put your nose in the dirt and work instead of waiting for Rickfarto Fagni to get approval from interpol to pass the next XMR hard fork through by force

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

No, the difference is you want adoption for adoptions sake. You don't care what the end result is going to be = people beholden to intermediaries thru custodial adoption and CEX chokepoints.

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

lmao ok bud

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

"the only privacy you can actually have is the one that you maintain entirely on your own, the thought of trusting some peer to peer network for privacy is completely flawed."

Here you go. Tell me any amounts you see that were sent from me (doesn't even have to be correct) and let me know any address I've ever sent to from this address. Goodluck!

89spcfRbp8EZZF2Qf9qJNSBjbx7fJAdJcEf64GBP1Vgg8yNrKHVLtJXLt4jWr3hcYeYUePpKfg5MkNYsjNc9sx3m3ymcMt4

https://www.p2pool.io/explorer/

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Nice attempt to try and conflate LN with Bitcoin on-chain. LN is separate and nothing compared to it in volume and transaction count. Least of all in a sovereign manner.

Damn look at that channel dip from 2022 to now. LN is flat-lining, thanks for proving my point. Dead network walking and a majority of that is custodial surveillance ridden 😂

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Forgot to mention your mining pools still control payout too. Centralized and custodial. And no, stratumv2 doesn't fix that.

lmfao

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

lmfao "control payouts" oh no so fucking spooky, anyway let me know when nano pool and support XMR come up with their magical payments that happen on their own solution. Ill be having a good night sleep while you come up with an answer to that utterly delusional belief that somehow a payout can happen on its own.

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

You can use p2pool on Monero right now. Can you on Bitcoin?

Still waiting on this for Bitcoin just like privacy. So maybe sometime in the next few decades 😴 I'll wait 💀

The real prophet Muhhammed who invented islam aka False Idol #1 1y ago

Of course you can, but bitcoin blocks are not nearly as easy to hit as monero blocks so there isn't much use for it. Pooled mining is necessary for decentralization anyway. Sorry the very first and most popular currency was not built with base layer privacy good enough for any imbecile to use. Although everyone claims Bitcoin has no privacy but no one knows who Satoshi is. Figures.

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

That's why I always say only engineers should be able to drive cars or use computers 🤪

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

You don't know the difference between privacy and anonymity apparently