America grew to be the most powerful country with open borders for most of its history

It only closed them in 1921, because of the sentiment about too many Europeans coming in, along with introducing a bunch of other big government controls, the federal reserve and other welfare programs during this era.

Like almost every other "temporary measure" - it's still in place 100 years later

If we believe in free markets, wouldn't this also include people? Or do we believe the government is competent enough to pick and choose people? 🤔

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

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Didn’t this same government massacre indigenous people and force them to relocate? Food for thought. History doesn’t repeat but rhymes.

This guy gets it

So first priority is blow up the welfare state, "undesirable" immigration should then go away too

"It is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And, you cannot have both."

I think it's worth pointing out that this doesn't necessarily suggest blowing up the welfare state as a whole. Though, it may be worth doing so anyway.

A welfare state with open borders will eventually collapse

Your description of America growing to a world power from early “open” boarder policies lacks context.

Pre revolution there was oftentimes extreme expense and hardship involved with immigrating to the USA, which often lead to indentured servitude to those whom paid for others way, slavery, or privately funded colonies bringing in people to farm and work the land- ie due to need.

There was actually very little immigration for the first 50+ years of the country’s history. Remember, it was VERY difficult to cross the ocean when this country was founded. Much more difficult to move around the world then compared to even the poorest of today’s migrants.

In the mid 1800s, a large influx of citizens were naturalized due to the Mexican American war, and the California gold rush. But at this point still greater than 90% of the citizenry was native born, as a majority of pre revolutionary immigrant citizens had passed.

Post-1850 manifest destiny and the expansion of the country westward demanded an increase in population to settle the American west, which began the major wave of immigration we all typically think of when we think of immigration history. But it really wasn’t even until 1880 with steam powered ships that immigration really began to grow quickly.

Your comment regarding 1921 is simply false. Immigration law began post civil war in 1875 when the Supreme Court deemed immigration federal jurisdiction, which lead to the Asian exclusion act being passed that same year.

This is an intriguing take and fascinating note about history. I’m short, I believe this would work if we had proper government within its constitutional realm. Open borders are not feasible with free handouts though

Can’t have open borders with a welfare state. Most of us are all for legal immigration. Sane, slow, methodical, vetted, pay your own way. Not the insanity we see today.

What is this thing you speak of “government competence”?

Borders are a shitcoin.

this is false. Borders not open. my ancestors came through a regulated system.