# An immodest proposal

It is grant season again, and -- as every grant season -- there is some cheering, some complaining, and much bewilderment, as the grants are announced and monies are dispersed.

I'm mostly a bystander to this spectacle, but it's impossible to ignore it, or to not become emotionally entangled in the general circus of it, so I've decided to write about it -- again -- as it is effecting me and interrupting my own efforts -- again.

What I'm about to suggest here is something that has never been done before (at least, not on a grant system of this scale), but it's always easy to criticize, whine, or fall into conspiracy-theorizing, so I've decided to try something more constructive and propose a solution.

## The Five Whys

Why do some projects get turned down for grants?

Why do some people receive grants over and over and over?

Why do others refuse to apply for grants?

Why is an enormous amount of money being spent, but nobody knows how much is left over?

Why is it not really clear who is receiving what?

Why, why, why?!

## Doctor, heal thyself!

Leaving this many whys lying around, or responding to them defensively or with small information-leaks, is an open communication fail on our open communication protocol.

We don't really have the excuse of not knowing how to communicate transparently and publicly, since that is our professional specialty. If we can't figure out how to run a grant program in the most _continuously innovative and traceable_ way possible, even though we are a collection of some of the most talented perpetual innovators on the planet, then who can?

We are all process engineers, so let's engineer our own processes.

## The application process

The main problem with the grant application process is that there is a grant application process. There shouldn't be. Everyone who is working in our space is working transparently, actively marketing their ideas, and everything they do is a matter of public record.

We know who the builders are. We know what they are doing. We can interact with them about what they are doing. We can turn on our computers, pull out some popcorn, and entertain ourselves all day, every day, just watching them labour and think aloud and debate, and fork various repositories or Nostr notes.

There is, at most, a loss of information, as there are so many people working on so many things, that it can become difficult to even track one particular person. That means it is not too much for us to ask, to suggest that anyone interested in a grant at least make their interest known in some small way.

## Wave if you want a grant

That way should be as small as possible. Tiny. Ideally, they shouldn't even have to go that way themself; others should be able to nominate them. A 10-minute barrier to entry is already high, if it requires some formal, explicit act of supplication.

Does that sound silly to you?

Then you do not understand how profoundly logical, forward-thinking, and diligent software developers can be. If they "just fill out a form" and/or "have an informal discussion", in order to receive money, it smacks disturbingly of "job interview" and "contract". These are people for whom contract law is holy law, so many will agonize over the decision.

- Some already have a job and they don't know how it will be in the future. What if they have to work overtime?

- Or they have a family and worry that they can't promise to deliver within some particular time. The wife could get pregnant, the baby could get sick, they might have to move house.

- Maybe they are students and exam time is approaching. Or they are simply shy or very young, and therefore reluctant to be seen "tooting their own horn". There is probably someone more worthy, and they are taking away the money he would get.

- Maybe they were hit with such an inner building passion that they hacked the whole implementation out their last vacation and... well... it's now already there. Everyone is already using it. Darn. Why apply for a grant, for something you've already finished? Seems sort of silly. Is that even allowed? What are the grants even for?

- What if they already have such a well-publicized project, that everyone is already watching them and keeping tabs? Then it's embarrassing to apply, on a lark, and get turned down. But if they don't apply, then everyone encourages them to apply. What to do?

- Many prefer to keep their head down and keep building, for months or years at a time, and clap politely when others are awarded a grant. In fact, they happily zap the recipients and then go right back to building and releasing. They're often grateful to just bathe in other people's joy, by proxy, while they stack sats and stay humble and keep coding.

**That is why a large subset of potential grant recipients never even apply. That is also why those who have received a grant are less reluctant to apply for another.** Successful application breeds successful application. The emotional barrier to entry has fallen. To those that have, shall be given.

## Let's use Nostr to run Nostr grants

We should turn the tables around completely. We want the developers to keep developing, not jumping through hoops. We don't want them to be distracted and internally torn over the ethics of requesting funding. We don't want them to be afraid to apply for grants or be mystified by the grant-giving process, or be humiliated or frustrated by a declined grant.

1. Let us come up with very clear, understandable criteria for rewarding grants, write them down, and publish them on Nostr Wiki. Accept comments and critiques of the criteria. After every round of grants, we should review the criteria, suggest improvements, and publish the new version in the same place.

2. Let every application be judged according to this criteria and the results should be published after every round. The results should include a rating for each criteria and (if the grant is given) the amount of the grant awarded or (if the grant is declined) the reasons for the decline and what the applicant can improve to have a better chance of receiving a grant in the future.

3. Ideally, **no applicant should walk away from a declined grant feeling hopeless or slighted.** Every applicant should feel like the grant process gave them valuable feedback on their own efforts and expert guidance on what they should maybe focus more on.

4. Every application should be a standing application that has to be explicitly removed from the list by the person listed as an applicant. Anything not removed automatically enters the next round. If there is no further development on the project, then the application should be paused and removed after 2 rounds of being paused.

5. The application process should consist of adding yourself or someone else to a Wiki Grant Application List and linking to some documentation of the project. Any npub that trolls or spams the list should be prohibited from further contribution. The quality and completeness of that documentation should be a factor in grant acceptance.

6. Grant decisions should include a "handicap" (like in golf), that take into account how Nostr-experienced the applicant is and how easy it was for them to add a new implementation to some already-existing system. The tendency should be to award newer applicants such grants, with more-experienced applicants competing for long-term funding or being offered a paid(!) place on the grant board, but not both.

7. Each grant round should be proceeded by a grant scope declaration (we shall be awarding X number of grants with an average of X Bitcoin per grant) accompanied by a funding overview and update (How much money was collected since the last round? How much did we spend? How much do we have now? etc.).

## Okay, this is just a prototype

I'm sure that I'm going to be bombarded with naysayers, critics, and people who think I am "writing above my pay grade", but I wouldn't be me if I let that daunt me.

All I am trying to do is change the discussion into one focused on uncovering the grant problems and offering grant solutions, rather than debates about whether some particular person was grant-worthy, or long rants on some particular person's real motives.

It's a lot of Real Money. It's worth talking about, but it's not worth fighting over. Let's talk.

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My big issue is the demand that everything be open-sourced at the outset before you are considered. Many prefer to develop in private and if the idea actually works, then decide to open source. It’s a bit of an asymmetric offer, IMO.

If your project isn't open-source, you should need more thorough documentation and a working prototype, but you should still be allowed to apply because other people can learn from your efforts.

But that's probably a minority view. πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

Agree. There is a decision-point with tradeoffs. Many successful ventures were neither open-source nor VC-funded, but in the middle somewhere. As what should be open-sourced might be a small but crucial aspect of what was learned and implemented- not all the Crown Jewels have to be given away.

I think you might have to reveal the relevant sources to the people evaluating your grant, tho. They should be able to contact anyone applying for a grant to get more information. And a person should be named on your results as your evaluator to discuss the results with.

That's one reason why I think the evaluators should be paid, if the process is transparent. It raises confidence in their professionalism and fairness, aligns their incentives with those of the applicants, and compensates them for doing all of this work in public.

They become mentors, rather than mere judges.

that point about developing the developer ecosystem is a key point

you do not simply master a protocol in 3 months... takes at least 6 months to get really comfortable and competent with a whole new API and protocol

There is no need to develop in private though. Why would you want to do that?

I'm sorry but I can't disagree more with literally every suggestion here.

This seems like a plan to add the most overhead, friction, admin work and committee-decision making, explode the number of low-quality applications, invite spam and trolling (and then attempt to invent processes to identify and control this) and remove all effective agency from those who are well-positioned to make decisions.

If I didn't know that Laeserin has the best intentions for Nostr, this would appear to be a deliberate obscurantist attack on the main grant-giving body. Knowing that she does want the best for the community, my only conclusion remaining is that one of us is severely confused about how to get things done efficiently.

Do you have a counter-proposal?

two responses to that:

- Sometimes changing nothing is the best plan. "First do no harm" sort of thing. Clogging and obscuring the existing process being the worst-case outcome to "fucking with it too much".

- No. Do I need to have a counter-proposal in order to point out the problems with this one?

- That said, also maybe I do have a counter-proposal: increase agency and quality by focusing, not widening. It's Cathedral time, not Bazaar time (yet). The applicants that are most likely to be motivated to put in the (minimal) effort to apply are likely the ones you want applying. And I think there's a similar executive-style approach you want on the decision process side: fewer, competent, high-agency individuals with more authority to make important decisions.

At this moment you want fiatjaf and Satoshi style figures getting a lot done in the grant-deciding world, not enormous committee processes and hours of wasted effort on busy work for the sake of "openness".

I'm not filling out forms for a grant bro. If I start getting something done I would get a grant for, I will have even less reason to fill out forms for a grant since I'll already be getting the shit done without the grant. Who is this system for? You apparently

Making my point for me. If filling out a form is too much to ask to be given _free money_ then I don't even know what to say to you. But here are some ideas:

- If you're already getting all that you need done without the grant, then great! More money for other people who actually need it.

- If your use of time is so extraordinarily productive that any second you spend seeking funding is a actually counterproductive (because you have better odds of success if your time is spent on the work than on fundraising), then great! You'll be successful with your current path and more free money for other people!

- If you simply don't value the grant money enough to devote a few minutes to filling out a form, then great! You've made up your mind about opting out. More money for those who are interested.

- If you can't position your project in such a way that it reads as a good fit for the form, then perhaps this is the wrong venue for you. More money for those who are appropriate.

- If you are just too incompetent to fill out a basic application (yet are somehow able to build an impressive project...?), then the money is probably better spent on someone more competent.

- If you think free money and fundraising itself is a waste of time... Well then I wish you luck in the market of limited resources and high competition with your unique perspective.

This feels like a pretty exhaustive list to me... But I'm not you. Let me know what I missed that better explains your position.

What about option C - I don't trust anyone who asks me to fill out forms for grant money without approaching me directly first

They aren't venture capitalists trying to get a return on their money, they are attempting to give away gifts. Why would they spend their time and effort in hunting you down to give you a gift?

Especially when there are other people approaching them, putting in work, and asking for help?

The fact that I'm not currently asking for help does make a difference.

In the future, I will need help, and I will probably ask for it without filling out forms. I may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

lololol okay fine.

"I'll ask for help, and I may even do it by writing 'help me' in an 'new DM form', but I'm NOT doing it in a 'here is free money' form."

You are so stubbornly trying to hold onto a non-position that you've resorted to speaking nonsense. It's really come down to which method of communication you use to ask for help?

suck my dick

The whole point of the discussion has been which methods of communication people use to ask for help, I thought

I'm truly flabbergasted by you.

What you are saying amounts to "I don't want anything to do with this, leave me out of it - don't approach me with your grants and I don't want to approach you with my application". Okay... so what are we discussing? If this system doesn't interest you, what are you talking about?

A decentralized system would interest me because I'd have more trust in the money going to good projects and less money going to Manchurian or toxic shit.

When I need money in the future, a decentralized decision making process might help me too, but I'm such a highly targeted individual that I'm not even sure if it's the feds targeting me or just most people I meet hating me on their own, so maybe not.

> I'd have more trust in the money going to good projects and less money going to Manchurian or toxic shit.

We're talking about money going to YOU. what does it matter where else the money goes? the money is literally leaving the bank account of an entity that you worry may be funding toxic shit - and instead funding YOU. that is a net win for you _and_ your preferences!

> but I'm such a highly targeted individual that I'm not even sure if it's the feds targeting me or just most people I meet hating me on their own, so maybe not.

This is entering into a branch of paranoia land that is mostly irrelevant to the question of how to best fund projects and whether or not "filling out a form" is a reasonable requirement to be given free money.

The money is not going to me & shouldn't be & probably won't be even when it should

Money should be going to the people building ngit (without them having to fill out any forms) & money will probably be going to them when better decisions are being made

Can you just plainly, simply explain why filling out a form is the lynchpin for you to whether or not the receipt of money is either okay or not okay?

No

Here's as plain and simple as I can make it for you: you're asking me to enter a lottery where I pay with time that's worth more than a lottery ticket and personal info that's also worth more than - guess what - this thing that they have at the store already any time I want one, a lottery ticket

You say someone has to be extremely productive for this to apply - I ask you to do the math on what returns anyone from a welfare recipient to a billionaire will get, spending an amount of time filling out forms for grants, and do the same math for them spending the equivalent amount of money they accrue in the same time, on lottery tickets

If you wouldn't suggest buying a lottery ticket, why would you suggest filling out the form?

You said "no" but that was actually extremely clear.

You feel that spending a few minutes and sharing a bit of personal information is not worth the expected payoff (where you think your odds are as good as the lottery). Okay, that makes sense.

And it's far clearer and to the point than a lot of the other concerns you brought up.

I think the conclusion is the same: If you think a system is an unwinnable lottery, don't play it. Nobody will blame you for that! a fair choice!

Still a bit confused about why you're wasting dozens of minutes preaching to the lottery company about how they should change their model, though... It's sorta like twitter/nostr - would you waste your time telling twitter they should be more like nostr? or would you prefer to just go invest in nostr? just ignore OpenSats and pay attention to other entities that work like you'd prefer.

Yeah I'm not sure about laeserin thinking she can convince opensats to change their model, I just like talking to all you people

I have little confidence that I can change their model or influence them in any manner, at all.

I just wanted to make it clear that there might be a better model, even if mine isn't it, and I wanted the others to know that they are not alone.

You see this? You see this?

I am not getting paid for this.

powered by the hate for toxic, lethargic, evil, pathetic, normal, fucking evil fucking G)RRRRRRRRRRRR satan

πŸ™„ the Satan thing again. Almost had a discussion about a normal topic without you veering into the supernatural.

But it's some weird personality flaw of mine that sees you as overly influenced by religion, right? Okay.

You're getting paid in attention.

Thinking about it more, laeserin was getting at a better explanation from the start

It's about bias

If forms are the system, it's biased in favor of devs who will fill out forms

Those are devs who have time to check if the form seems worth filling out, devs who feel comfy giving the form whatever info it asks for

I think if you're trying to bias your pool of devs in favor of the best ones you probably don't want to filter out the ones you're filtering out there

Why do you want a system biased in favor of devs who have time and trust these forms?

Yes, the form itself is a sort of test. What is it testing for?

The word "conform" contains the word "form", after all.

Who is the system for? Responsible, serious people who recognize that taking their work seriously and spending time on the communication and fundraising efforts that are required for success are valuable and necessary parts of the process and meaningful signals.

Do you show up to a job interview naked and drunk, shouting about how you're the best candidate and already did all the work? No, you project yourself in a manner that you feel is representative of your competence and commitment.

Transparency would definitely be appreciated. It would help us before applying if we understood better what gets approved. We have a project brewing but the question of *when * it is best to apply is unclear. So we haven’t applied.

And, as far as I know, the grants are only for work you plan on doing in the future. πŸ™ˆ

We're building so fast, now, that the work would always be completed and released before the grant evaluation was even started.

Oh so maybe we do need to apply now. This post was helpful for us. Thank you!