PSA: If you were born with a penis, then however you feel is a way that a man can feel. If you were born with a vagina, then however you feel is a way that a woman can feel.

It's completely insane that with zero standard for comparing feelings across sexes or even between any two people, some will claim that they feel like something they aren't. Accept the things you cannot change. You can like whatever you want to like & live however you want to live, but you cannot change who & what you are. Trying to do so will only destroy your life.

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#gaysagainstwokeism

What about cutting off parts of penises of 80% of American men? Abuse or normal?

my take: it's abuse unless the person is old enough to consent to it

i had that conversation with my parents as a teenager in the 1980s, they stuck their heads in the sand like good Baby Boomer ostriches including "everyone was doing it" 🙄

Yeah, I don't hold strong opinions about this... There are many things parents have to decide for their children before they are capable of giving any consent.

yep, and they have to understand that their kids may be angry later on

circumcism, I didn't want it, they did it when I was a baby, when confronted they couldn't even summon up even a fake apology

if they had taken responsibility then I'd respect that, they didn't

I don't really think it does any good to hold shit like that against my parents. I try to appreciate the fact that they did the best they knew how & raised kids that are smart enough to break the cycle of dumb shit to whatever degree our awareness is sufficient to do so.

you got lucky

my story isn't yours

you don't know the rest

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I do not know the story. But there are also cases where the best people can do is be so shitty that you don't want to be them.

yeah. it's really hard for lots of people to take when they hear criticism of parents by an adult child but sometimes some people just should not be parents and the fallout from it is life altering.

there is some good that came from what happened to me but that still doesn't excuse blatant willful harm and a lack of remorse.

narcissistic personality disorder is not a recipe for being a functional parent.

I think circumcision is some barbaric bullshit too.

I think if people read the 7th Day Adventists or J. H. Kellogg arguments for it most other people would probably stop supporting it too.

yeah, Kellog was a weirdo. others of their ilk were also responsible for the FDA's "food pyramid"

Mary Baker Eddy was a kook of the highest order.

I made this point to a trans guy I knew, and his eyes glazed over. But he was also a narcissist and was actively trying to manipulate me at the time so there was no chance in hell he'd ever acknowledge it.

People are free to do whatever they want with their own property- including their own bodies.

The problem comes when they try to teach these alternative lifestyles to impressionable school children.

They don’t seem to see the irony.

We can’t stereotype people but the only way to be a woman is to be some garish caricature of a Disney princess.

Genitals don’t matter but they need to cut them off to feel better.

We need to protect children by sterilizing them.

Thankfully it seems the pendulum is starting to swing back now.

I feel like I strongly disagree with what you wrote despite the fact I don’t have a clue what you actually wanted to write

“Trying to do so will only destroy your life.”

…or your 🍆

Lol. No.

And you called me delusional.

Biology is far more expansive than black and white, this or that, the sex is a boy or girl. A dick makes a man, a vaginal makes a woman.

Take intersex people (people born with ambiguous genitalia), for example. Those on this spectrum are about as common as people with red hair.

"Intersex is an umbrella term used to describe a wide range of natural variations that affect genitals, gonads, hormones, chromosomes, or reproductive organs. Sometimes these characteristics are visible at birth, sometimes they appear at puberty, and sometimes they are not physically apparent at all."

Historically, doctors have assigned intersex babies a gender at birth and performed mutilation surgeries based on appearance and size. This has led to doctors assigning the wrong sex based on nothing more than apoearance. People have committed suicide as a result of this genital mutilation.

"The Phall-O-Meter is a satirical representation of the way that clinicians have historically determined whether visibly intersex children should be assigned female (and subjected to feminizing surgeries) or assigned male (and subjected to masculinizing surgeries). It was created by the Intersex Society of North America, based on research by Susan Kessler (1998):

In general, medical standards do not allow clitorises larger than .9 centimeters (about 3/8 of an inch). … [An image showing ranges of medically acceptable infant clitoral and penile lengths reveals] that intermediate area of phallic length that neither females nor males are permitted to have."

I encourage you to do your own research into biology, sex, and gender. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, yet you say it so confidently.

Have a good one.

Birth defects don't really change the fact that biology is binary & that it is impossible to transition from one sex to another.

So yes, you are both delusional about the current state of our political system & about biological reality.

Denying the basics of biological reality is just the modern version of Orwell's 2+2=5. So the fact that you bought the biological propaganda & you also seem to have an inability to see the political reality for what it is, you appear to be a decent example of the desired effect.

Did you also get jabbed & boosted, & support the Ukraine war? Are you vegan or vegetarian & you think we're on the verge of an environmental mass extinction event which justifies govt doing "anything necessary" to save the world? How much of the propaganda have you swallowed?

You make so many leading statements and assumptions. You insult and call names when disagreed with. That is not effective or productive communication. It's immature ignorant mansplaining, and honestly, not worth any more of my time.

BTW: The current state of transitioning is child's play compared to what's coming next. Best of luck coming to terms with the impending sociological reality of AI sentience, androids, cyborgs, biohacking and transhumanism--they are all just around the corner. Have a good one.

There is no transitioning. There never will be. You cannot make a man into a fertile woman, you can not make a woman into a fertile man. You can only physically mutilate & chemically castrate people. It's horrible that people are being destroyed in this way. Propagating the idea that any of this is realistic is horrible.

"ava" - everyone knows you're a dude lol, stop the cap

It's a dead giveaway when you write cybersecgirl on all your posts, overcompensating much?

Doesn't even matter, he/she can pretend to be whatever, but the reality is that the underlying biology can NOT be changed.

And anyone who really cares about other people would not lie to them about such things. The result of chemical & surgical interventions can only be a shorter life filled with chronic health issues.

It's all some sort of sick corporate money making scam rooted in the desire to reduce populations via the destruction of fertility.

Trying to look up numbers. The ginger as common as intersex caught my attention.

The real question that needs answered

How small does a penis have to be before it counts as intersex.

A penis is still a penis. Cutting it off or calling it "too small" doesn't change the person's chromosomes. It's a silly line if reasoning. Biology IS binary. The infertile exceptions really only prove the rule.

Was just making a penis joke.

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An interesting etical question:

You don't need to do research to understand men and women are fundamentally different, rejecting this basic truth everyone can clearly see is delusional.

Obviously they are not interchangable, no matter how many surgeries and hormones you pump into somebody.

I support people's right to do whatever they want to their own body.

If you have kids, it is your duty to get them through childhood as unscathed as possible.

The gender mutilation that is being performed on children who lack the capacity for consent is unethical & should be criminal.

It's some dark shit.