Did you not read the post? 3-letter agencies.
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Why is he funding nostr then?
You clearly have no idea how intelligence operatives function. Narrative control has gotten too strong (or weak) over at Twitter and Nostr literally represents a golden opportunity to start a new one outside of corporate control—one where corporate lobbyists hold less dominion over online spaces. To me, it seems as though he's setting up a new surveillance network. I feel like that's obvious.
No idea is crazy. You’re already making an assumption about my knowledge without knowing who I am.
But why make this alternative when you can’t control the narratives? Why leave twitter to begin with?
You're right. I am making an assumption. One I believe is correct. You haven't said anything to prove otherwise. Honestly, i don't care about that.
Intelligence agencies have mastered data harvesting techniques for decades. Long before the internet even existed. Jack could've easily been coerced by state and corporate partners to start a new platform over a decentralized protocol in an effort to make an "improved" version of Twitter on Nostr while replacing him with Elon over at Twitter (due to his rather distasteful rep).That plan is not farfetched in the intelligence space... AT ALL. That way you gain narrative (a.k.a. state) control from both ends of the social media spectrum.
The opposite argument can be made: nostr:nprofile1qqsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgsppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kytc79p4zh is funding Nostr precisely because he experienced the pressure of three-letter agencies while running a centralized social media platform. He learned from that experience and is now backing an alternative that cannot be co-opted or corrupted in the same way.
What if the Twitter Files were actually released to sow distrust in what Dorsey is building with Nostr, carefully curated and timed in a way that shapes the narrative in one very specific direction?
Without concrete evidence supporting any of these possibilities, it ultimately comes down to perspective. Whether you lean toward optimism or pessimism dictates how you interpret the “true” reality.
There are no certainties, only probabilities.
I didn't even hear about the Twitter Files being released. That would mean I distrusted him to begin with. I said it hear. I really cannot explain it in a more self-explanatory manner.
You don’t have to trust Jack. Trust the code. I haven’t seen anyone get censored here yet. I see plenty get censored on twitter. Also, Jack has publicly talked about how his options at Twitter were to comply and censor users or lose Twitter completely and make all of his staff unemployed. If he didn’t comply, the stock would’ve tanked and then the shareholders would’ve replaced him with someone else that would end up doing the same thing anyway. Not much of a choice. Recommend you listen to Jack’s point of view. He’s publicly said that the only solution is to make a system that can’t be coerced. That’s why he’s putting his money where his mouth is investing in nostr. There is no central point that can be coerced on nostr. I think he learned a big lesson and it’s unreasonable to expect him to foresee all the censorship getting so out of control. Most Americans thought free speech would never be violated like that.
Also Jack stepped down and left Twitter because he didn’t want to keep doing that. That’s not how he wanted Twitter to be. Contrast that with mark zuckerberg who continues to comply willingly and doesn’t care. There’s more nuance with things like this.
I'm not watching this.
Then don’t but you haven’t offered any convincing reason why I should trust your opinion
If you say so. Keep in mind that you're choosijg to trust the man who voluntarily caused egregious levels of existential damage to society. All done under the order of the state. Putting your faith in the guy who gave the okay for all that carnage to commence is like putting your faith back into banks to handle your accounts responsibly.
“Voluntarily caused egregious levels of existential damage to society. “
“All done under the order of the state.”
Do you know what an oxymoron is?
I do. My mistake. But, you understand what I was getting at, right?
No I don’t. That’s an oxymoron. How can Jack voluntarily hurt society under the order of the state? State orders are always backed by a gun. That means it’s not voluntary.
That's why I said it was my mistake. It wasn't voluntary but he could've stopped whenever he wanted.
How can you stop if it’s not voluntary?
You pack the hell up and leave. He had the resources necessary, I don't doubt.
So he quits the company he started and then the shareholders put in a new CEO that will do the same thing. What did he accomplish?
The avoidance of accountability over the negative consequences of his decisions.
He’s donated millions trying to build a system that fixes the problem he faced on Twitter and you’re talking about accountability? Why are you even on nostr if it’s so horrible?
Yes, I am. And because the people I interact aren't horrible and nostr isn't just about decentralized socials🙄. Duhhh!
One question: so, you don't want to start a private simplex chat?
No we can talk perfectly fine here
Yes, for his own purposes that don't have anything to do with the best of nostr. Why in the world do you think he's a good dude now?
“Donated millions,” from a billionaire, who made their money as a Fed.
You really are retarded.
The Twitter Files were mentioned in the original post above.
I appreciate you adding more context from your earlier posts, but those weren’t part of this specific thread.
The good news is, none of us need to rely on Jack’s word about the protocol, we can look at the code ourselves.
Even with the added context from your previous posts, the point still stands: your interpretation of reality rests mostly on our limited understanding of the past Twitter events and on personal vibes.
Lololololol.
The completely open, completely trackable Nostr was created out of the good of NSA jacks heart.
🤣🤣🤣
It wasn't created by him.
LMAO these people are inbred retards
No one is suggesting that he created nostr. Just that he has too much of an influence over it.
Scroll up and you can see who said that
No client will let me
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You definitely took nostr:nprofile1qqsdnkaqupetmv6nm7cqyr0ptyfx4ar7d8sn8653h02gazldudejpcspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduqs7amnwvaz7tm6v9czuampw33ksqg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx6mmnw3ezuur4vguy0s8w's comment out of context, imo. They weren't praising jack.
Your too accustomed to Twatter, is all.
I was on Twitter for less than a year. Any other baseless assumptions you wanna make about?
When you make an assumption based off nothing, it’s likely a projection. All I did was ask a question instead of blindly accepting a random stranger’s baseless opinion. Your opinion could be right but I’m asking for you to prove it.
Why would they coerce Jack to fund a decentralized protocol that they can’t control?
I feel as though I did answer your question in my statement above.
All you said was they want to harvest data but it’s an open protocol. What do you want him to do? If it’s a closed protocol you’ll accuse him of centralizing the content for data harvesting. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
All you heard was "harvest data"?😑 The collection of certain data is fine as long as it's not stored for extended periods of time on a private server. But they collect search history from users on Primal and we have no real clue what they do with it during that timeframe. Don't forget that they still have to make a profit for their VC masters. That comes first for them, regardless of what they may say. This also allows them to regulate trend lists and control narratives through an open-source platform. Actually, no. It's not a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of scenario. The devs at primal could just not collect and instead actively ask for feedback and not turn into a bunch of Sensitive Sallies whenever they hear a complaint or a critique🙄.
What the fuck does primal have to do with Jack?
LOL are you joking? He funded it from what people have told me.🤣
No he didn’t
Then who did? Because that's not what I've heard.
You know not everything goes on over here at nostr? I'm part of simplex groups with plenty of nostriches if you wish to continue this. Or we can start our own chat over there. I'm just tired of discussions like this being done only over socials. Socials are tiresome in general.
Moving the goalposts. You said Jack Dorsey funds primal. That’s not true. Going over to simplex doesn’t change that. You can hate him for whatever reason you want but you’re misinformed about a lot of things.
Not moving the goalposts. Just trying to not use socials medias as often. The reason why I brought up simplex is because I want to continue this discussion on there, if you're willing to do so.
Do you know who made a donation to simplex? 😂
So what? He made a donation. Big deal. You still haven't explained what I'm misinformed about.
I did but you’ve made up your mind that Jack Dorsey is evil so this conversation is pointless
I wasn't suggesting that he's evil. That's extreme. I was suggesting he's ambiguous with nostr-related matters. For example, I like what he's doing with the Proto-Rig but that has nothing to do with Nostr.
You suggested he’s creating a surveillance network which is evil
It’s a way to circumnavigate the cellular networks, but it poses a lot of security concerns of authenticity and I am cautious before engaging that way. Just my 2 sats, which ::echem:: is more than nostr:nprofile1qqsytuv4el7t3jtjfm7zfrc9q730ked40806he7dx5uctxqk8j4hvfcpz3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wcq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmny0vvl0f is willing to cough up.
No idea what you’re talking about
I muted jack cause his motives are misaligned. Always have been.
Misaligned with what?
With twitter he banned free speech (he apologized publicly), with Cash App they close accounts at will and force selling btc, with square they gauge free accounts. This is not a changed man, this is someone who is ahead of the curve and capitalizing on it. If he posts something all of nostr goes crazy. KOOL-AID.
He didn’t have a choice with Twitter
Listen to his viewpoint on it here:
Cash app, strike, swan, and all the others have to comply with KYC bullshit. Do you buy KYC sats? He’s not getting ahead of the curve, he’s doing the same thing as all other regulated exchanges.
No one has donated more to nostr development than Jack Dorsey and his donations are no strings attached. He has no say in what nostr devs do with that money.
It's sad that you just blindly believe everything he says.
Give me a good reason to doubt him instead of your feelings and misinfo
He limited freedom of speech and didn’t tell people that it was against his will. He closes accounts that try to take measures to preserve privacy. He charges more than most credit cards in fees for square. Goose collects data, bitchat collects data 👀 let me say that AGAIN, BITCHAT collects user data.
He doesn't want to listen, man🙄🤷. Don't waste your breath.
Maybe. But I think he listens to me sometimes. Probably cause I have gay memes I share with him
#ProofOfGay 😂
Me says things so I’ll reply with gay memes. #proofofgay 😂🤣
Why do you have so many gay memes anyway? Unrelated, how big is your closet?
They all have @mahdood for the header. But it’s bigger than my steam library 🤣
How many times a day do you think of Mahdood?
14/24 maybe 15
No, gay is an insult in this context
It’s an insult if it makes you feel uncomfortable. I only do it cause it makes gets under his skin. Other than that I could care less what meme.
The correct phrase is can’t care less. Saying you could care less implies that you care too much.
Love you nostr:nprofile1qqsytuv4el7t3jtjfm7zfrc9q730ked40806he7dx5uctxqk8j4hvfcpz4mhxue69uhks6tnwshxummnw3ezumrpdejqzxthwden5te0wdjkuerfwshxummnvekxzun99e3k7mgn7scnj
The gayest on nostr. The only one that could make satsmcd give up a trolling contest.
I'll believe it when I see it 🤭
The gayest on nostr. The only one that could make satsmcd give up a trolling contest.
And you assume that he could have publicly disclosed that?
He follows KYC laws. All regulated exchanges do that. All of them. They all do the same shit. Blame government for it.
Also bitchat doesn’t collect data. You and Luke are sharing false information.
If that is your source of truth you need to read up on privacy. They collect a lot of data.
Where is your source of truth? Where is your evidence that they collect data?
How many chats are happening in #9qw right now? If your number is greater than 0 they are collecting data. Same goes for chat text.
Idk what that is because I don’t use bitchat but all these claims are made with no evidence
Not safe. Use wisely
You can figure out a way to operate outside of it if you want. He didn’t choose that path. FOSS was secondary to vision.
But you haven’t proven any malicious intent. So you haven’t given a good reason to assume he’s evil.
If I stop you from saying what you want to say that’s not malicious? If I stop you from moving money as you wish that’s not malicious. Get with the fucking program. You’re brain dead.
That's how intelligence operates. You gathet data from all sides. You build the tools, you undermjne them again.
No wonder you are still at Bitcoin maximalist lalala land stage. You missed the early years.
Intelligence is involved since at least 2010. Long before you even headed of Bitcoin.
Why are you on nostr then?
The other stuff that him and his brocoders are literally ignoring out of spite.
You still don't get it?
There will NEVER be a system without intelligence operatives.
The mission is to create the future you want to see in this world WITH them regardless of their involvement.
Make the process open source
Make encryption the standard for every communication
Fix financial incentives
You force them to contribute to the betterment of tools both sides can use.
They still can fool the masses, tell them they need to use AV/KYC systems when they don't. But that's another story. Everybody able to see can choose freely to operate within or outside the matrix. It's not just our duty to develop the code but guiding our friends and families so they don't fall prey to the lies of the feds.
What data can be farmed here versus on Twitter and how exactly without a centralized database?
We know you’re black, but you can type. So you can’t be fully retarded.
Yet, you ask this question, so you must be fully retarded.
You tested, what? 80iq?