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I dont know why I can't get around this in my head but I'm fully convinced that the singular problem with P2P as the foundation of the internet is simply that we could never monetize it.

I mean seriously P2P dominated all web traffic for more than half a decade. And that's *without* any way to monetize, and it was only when the establishment capitulated that things shifted back.

Now we have numerous decentralized and P2P protocols and an open digital money to monetize it all without any third parties, and we have Ai expanding the capability to write software more than any other tool in internet history... and I can't see how this doesn't swing back in a massive way.

In other words - I think people who are discounting P2P because of limitations and failures of the past, aren't properly understanding the past or its limitations, imo.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I intend to put it to the test.

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Thekid.999 8mo ago

No, it's because YouTube twitch rumble all these centralized places have money to pay these people to stay there

Guy Swann 8mo ago

You are thinking too specific and too “current.” There is no way that advertising or audience support can be cheaper while supporting a giant middle man corporation than it is directly.

The economics of it suggest at some point the network effects and limitations of the tools or UX simply won’t be in the way anymore (I think a million new “programmers” accelerates TF out of that). And at that point the economics (and the many other benefits it comes with) will cause the shift.

21MQHardenningBTC 8mo ago

💯. I strongly agree.

Thekid.999 8mo ago

If I'm making $3000 a month on YouTube videos, I'm not gonna leave that and come to zap streams where half the time it doesn't work and nobody is on it. It's just the reality that people need to swallow this pill.

₿lockchainYog丰 8mo ago

This is true

That’s why even Bitcoiner’s stay on X vs Nostr because they are getting “paid” more.

The Daniel 🖖 8mo ago

Agree, though I have no interest in using X, the P2P tools we have at our disposal right now aren’t cutting it.

Thekid.999 8mo ago

Its boring be true to decentralized at this point. Im actually bored. Being nostr only disconnects you from your actually community and no one hears you only other bitcoiners on nostr. 🤷🏽‍♀️

₿lockchainYog丰 8mo ago

I can definitely understand this

Or also that the other social platforms does so well at engineering and stirring up emotions, feelings, and desires that we want to always stay connected.

Thekid.999 8mo ago

That's true, I understand that part.

You know, to the people that understand what the elites do? Yes, I understand that part, but you still connected to your community, you know what's going on.

It's either you delete your Twitter Instagram. Snapchat TikTok, Facebook and disconnect from your community and have no idea what's going on. Or be smart about it and navigate it the smart way. I went back to snapchat but thats about it.

Guy Swann 8mo ago

Purely a consequence of network effects in the social media sense, which is only a part of what I’m talking about.

Guy Swann 8mo ago

That actually isn’t directly related to what I was meaning in my post and also this assessment is based on the very current conditions of a combination of tools that are interdependent.

ChadF and 33 others 8mo ago

That ad money is one hell of a drug.

aidan 8mo ago

Centralized systems do seem to provide a variety of extra ways to monetize the product. I think Microsoft struggled to monetize Skype when it was a p2p architecture and moved to a more centralized architecture at least partially for that reason.

Big Barry Bitcoin 8mo ago

I still remember the inflection point where the discussion online was whether we were going to pay through advertisement or through paying fees for websites and paywalls.

Free was too tempting, especially because ads were crap and easy to block.

We are back at that inflection point again.

the axiom 8mo ago 💬 1

people dont have computers anymore

back then only nerds used the internet

Guy Swann 8mo ago

The internet runs on computers. You misunderstand, I don’t suggest servers will go away, I suggest the barriers to being a server will disappear.

the axiom 8mo ago

I was just thinking that if most people are using phones that must be much harder for p2p to work than if they used desktops

but I don't know if thats really the case

serapath【ツ】☮ 8mo ago

literally everyone has a computer now that is more powerful then what you could get in the early internet times. its called a smartphone... and peer to peer works on those too 🙂

SoapMiner 8mo ago

From just my experience with selling soap for Sats, it works great for me.

I don't have any middleman. Ppl go to my site where I use Zaprite as a payment processor. They pay the invoice, I ship to them directly.

Or are you specifically talking about content creators?

Guy Swann 8mo ago

I’m talking about the model of how services and data are provided on the internet. So yes content creators as well

SoapMiner 8mo ago

Ahh, ok. Well, I agree wholeheartedly. With the advances in tech. I think one day that everyone will have a Miner, a node, and a server in their house. Gonna be hard to stop that.

I'm not technical, and even I have those. So p2p will be impossible to stop.