I'm sorry De Santis but I'm not a neocon either and I still think that the West should be arming Ukraine (and Georgia, and Armenia, and...) to their asses and enable them to actually bring the war onto Russian territory (and to Turkey and their puppet state in Armenia's case).

True, I believe it's not really the business of the US to do it. But since Europe is a joke greatly because it is in your interest that Europe be a joke, and it will never do anything of significance, sorry, but it's on you.

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Well, it is easy to arm-twist war politics and agitate adverse alliances during such trying times when the currents amid our historical tribulation groups any suspiciously labelled country of probable confrontation. Still chasing tit for tat balance hardly conjures up esteem progressiveness.

Whilst equipped in basic ethics based civilization style negotiations leadership only full compliance can beat crises of sovereignty construction outliving unforetold political storms precipitated by negativist multinational regimes holding unstated agenda backkshishing terrorizing happenstances on ill informed communities loosely create more chasms for decay law-supporting mechanisms tailored conformity should be the going!

Furthermore isolationisms growth contracts 'paranoia-prone syndrome' against scientific analysis which conflicts with approaches posited above & renders poor balances between nations histories becoming wasteful trivia at best.

In European politics, perhaps acknowledging EU's slack-standing & unequal disposition or struggling past colonial oppression rejuvenates public trusts steering geopolitical policy rather than faulty turncoats erected deadwood allegiance zones putting urgency agendas without inclusive premises taking into deliberateness our societal frontiers elevating animosity instead representing integration

Preferably a moral palimpsest educative environments outlined in line with binding philosophy through flexible digital architectures social transport encourages republications promulgation crossing bounds open standards enough more just equity breaches weaning towards true formations!

geopolitically, neither trajectory is absolutely necessary. while rejecting traditional approaches, new creative tactics are possible while keeping strategies nimble and simple. designing policy around "someone needs to" do whatever is a failure before it begins because it's very design assumes there is a willingness to compromise. isolationism is also a fallacy - isolationism from abusive systems is however critical. most "isolated" nations by western standards simply do not comply with western (nato) demands - they have allies, just not the ones the traditional powers assert they should. countries which are struggling to become "accepted" by elite powers always learn it was a mistake - ukraine has a more secure future considering an alliance and peace with russia than nato. but greed and sycophantic insecurities drive it toward its destruction.

I'm a little surprised to see this. Do you want Russia to lose so badly that you're willing to support the US military industrial complex?

The debt used to fund the war machine will only speed up the collapse of the US, even if they manage to successfully invade Russia.

Historically invading Russia doesn't end well for the invaders (Hitler, Napoleon) 😂

I don't want Russia to be invaded or to "lose". I want Putin to feel threatened and his internal position to weaken. Big difference. Putin is not Russia.

I think any time we align our self indentity with a group (government, sports team, race, religious organization, political party) we begin to lose sight of what will most benefit us in favor of supporting that idea.

Ends poorly more often than not 🙂

I agree, as a principle.

As I told someone earlier though, explain that to the Baltics, the Poles, the Czechs, the Ukrainians, the Georgians... that live right there right now.

I have empathy for anyone living in a wartorn location. I seek the end of global military conquest in every form.

However, I don't know anyone from those countries or what their needs are. So I don't feel qualified or interested in proscribing solutions for them.

Americans have a tendency to jump into situations to "solve" them, but often end up leaving the affected populations the same or worse off.

It's not the US's responsibility to police the globe. We are in this position primarily because of the outcome of WW2 and it won't last forever 🙏

And I agree with what you say.

Doesn't change the fact that the US establishment is responsible for the lack of an alternative "police" in Europe.

Which has benefitted said establishment and allowed the American people as whole to be in their current leading position.

I supported Trump when he insisted that Europe should pick up the bill. Alas, Americans voted for the other guy.

Unlike most of the US-based naive useful idiots and paid Putin shills, I have been to Russia and the Baltics in many occasions, for work and for tourism. I have friends there and I love the country and its people. I learnt Russian for three years, just because.

Long term I wish we can erase the absurd "Europe vs Russia" opposition, as if Russia weren't Europe.

For that though, Putin must be removed, the remnants of the Soviet regime must be removed (the old people still brainwashed, who largely support Putin now, will just die off soon) and the Russian people must be liberated.

Faux libertarians sitting on their asses in their cozy American homes thousands of miles away, screeching daily about how "they'll have to pry my guns from my cold dead hands" while critizing a people who are actually in arms defending their homes can bite me, honestly.

I'm inspired by your passion to help those people. Since you have a direct connection to the situation it sounds like you are uniquely prepared to support in finding a solution.

Personally I don't count on any political solution to these situations as long as the global banking system is still in control, but luckily I also know that won't last 🙏

So you support the US agression & regime change that started all of this? The US is trying to cut Russia off from their only warm water port by installing a hostile regime in a country that is more economically important to them than Mexico is to the US. And in the process our politicians are funneling billions to themselves & crony corps while risking nuclear war to do so. Putin made it very clear that Ukraine was a red line & that he didn't want war. He tried to make an agreement that would have prevented conflict, & the US stopped it. Internal officials in the US & even Henry Kissinger (who is generally a total psychopath) have said that US regime change in Ukraine is a horrible idea & a needless form of aggression toward Russia. There is a clear desire to overthrow Putin, & if I was in his postion I'd probably nuke the shit out of the US. As an American sick of all the pedos in power I'd almost support it. If DC turned into a lake with all of our "politcal leaders" at the bottom, the world would probably be a better place.

Those are not arguments I can buy.

Where do you put the "he started first" line? How is it acceptable to draw lines based on third countries, colonial style?

Putin - again, not Russia but Putin, since he is an autocrat that cannot represent Russia - has no rights on Ukraine. It is irrelevant if Putin depends more or less economically on Ukraine. Interest which, by the way, he could only protect by propping up another autocratic regime in Kiiv.

Since he is an autocrat whse main victim are the actual Russian citizens, it's fair game to go after his interests. Attacking Putin is not attacking Russia, but exactly the opposite.

As I said, I don't particularly think that it's any of the business of the US to do so. But since there's nobody else around, since Germany has ever since Schroeder become Putin's leading bitch in Europe, it may as well be your business now. I don't care who does it -- it just needs to be done.

I don't particularly care for the welfare of the US tax payer, the Us economy or the primacy of the US dollar - just like I think it's perfectly legitimate that you Americans do not see how removing Putin is of your interest, and that you always tend to have this egotistic view of European affairs.

As a matter of fact, I'm rather inclined to see as a net positive that sanctions on Putin have started to undermine seriously the role of the Us dollar. Just like I see as a net positive the consequences of the terroristic reckless monetary policy of the US government.

And now the twist: I think the ethnic Russian regions of what is currently Ukraine should have the right to secede if they so want, just like any other people in a similar situation does.

That has nothing to do with any of what's happening though, since Putin himself has openly declared that the aim of the aggression on Ukraine was, precisely, regime change.

What's happening will most likely result in Putin becoming stronger & Ukraine being erased & absorbed into Russia. He has only been strengthened so far.

Putin tried to prevent this conflict in multiple ways. The US installed a puppet dictator that has banned all polical oppisition & enslaved Ukrainian citizens to fight for him in an unnecessary war.

The entire Russian economy is dependant on Ukraine. They are a critical trade partner & the only warm water port. Everyone in Russia suffers if shipping is cut off during cold months.

Anyone who advocates for these kinds of interventions should read Antifragile by Nassim Taleb.

Anyone with such a naive, tyrant-appeasing view of the world such go live in the Baltics for a while, under the long shade of the constant threat and low-intensity terrorism of Putin.

Very circumspect commentary. False dichotomies are all the rage.

That's how you see it, and I see it differently.

In any case, once again, Putin does not have inherent rights to Ukraine's ports. Putin does not have inherent rights to dictate whether Ukraine signs commercial deals with the EU. Putin does not have inherent rights to rig elections in Ukraine.

And most definitely, regardless of everything, Putin does not have inherent rights to military invade and bomb Ukraine, period.

From the historical point of view, I already said I'm all for the ethnic Russian regions to secede, including Crimea, if that's the port you keep talking about.

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. Russia rejected that in favor of supporting Crimea's independence & secession. What you supposedly support is the Russian position.

The US installed & funded Ukrainian puppet destroyed the peace talks to prevent Crimea's independence & then enslaved all Ukrainian men from ages 18-60 to fight Russia.

If China overthrew the Mexican govt, installed a dictator that was completely hostile to the US, & then put military bases along the border with the US, I think it would be ridiculous not to expect a military response from the US. It was similarly reasonable for the US to prevent the Soviets from putting missles in Cuba. The US, the UN, & NATO are the most militarily agressive forces in the world. Any sane & honest person (who is halfway decently informed) can see who is the agressor here. Turn off the corp news and wake tf up.

False. Putin's position and reason to invade Ukraine was to cause a regime change in Ukraine. Putin himself has openly said that much.

Russian self-determination in Ukraine has nothing to do. And in any case that ship has sailed now with the aggression. Remember how the Baltics and Poland and Bohemia were completely de-Germanized after the war.

All you ifs and buts are meaningless next to an active unilateral military invasion. There is not justification for it, especially when Putin can't even say he represents the interests of Russia. He is a kleptocrat that owns the State like a feudal lord. "Russia's interests" are unknown and more likely than not at odds with Putin's.

Yes, the goal is regime change away from the hostile puppet installed by the US. That's exactly what I would do too.