Monero is a mental masturbation.
Do you use it on a machine not tied to your identity?
Are you using it on your home network?
If you answered yes to one or both you don't understand what privacy is.
If you do accomplish both of these things, you can just use Bitcoins not tied to your identity which is easier to obtain & spend.
Most dishonest shit I've heard. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
If you do accomplish both of these things, why would you potentially fuck that up by using then a transparent ledger? It would be even better for your privacy to use Monero on top of accomplioshing both those things.
Ceteris parabis Monero will always be better for privacy
Literally all you have to do is lightning swap and then it’s private. Imagine the improvements in the next 5 years. Sure Monero is private but it’s still a shitcoin
No, you're both wrong & don't understand shit.
Alright find my LN transactions
It's the beginning of your actions that matter more than the end.
If your computer & internet connections are tied to your identity it really doesn't matter what the specifics are.
Either way LN is great for transacting in the real world.
Preserves privacy & decentralized ✅.
You can buy kyc coin and then ln swap, send to a specific lightning wallet, and swap back to onchain.
You go from known wallet > known LN wallet > unknown LN wallet > unknown wallet
Though LN is not perfectly private due to efficiency being a main concern in payment routing. I assume LN could easily be extended to have Tor-like routing, which would solve this issue.
You could also just do payjoin or coin join (I can’t remember which one)
Yeah, you can do this but remember its the same as monero, all that data is being seen by your Internet connection regardless if specifics are being monitored they can still monitor activity by app usage.
You want assurances?
Go all the way.
What about a vpn
Remember, with privacy there's only one way to be sure.
Using obfuscation technologies will never allow you to be sure.
Take out the unknowns & peace of mind will come from within instead of asking questions.
Also, there's levels to it.
You might not need this level of privacy.
Do what works for you just don't mislabel what you're doing - as that can be dangerous.
How could you be more private?
Monero is gay as fuck you silly liberal
You clearly know nothing about my political values. And there are plenty of other Bitcoiners, privacy advocates, and infosec professionals who would disagree with you. Have a good one.
Monero is literally gay. No one can refute that objective fact.
You have some weird spiritual beliefs, and that makes you liberal
Bitcoin all the way, but if monero gets the job done, then what's the problem? And what's wrong with weird spiritual beliefs? The astonishing thing is, the weirdest ones seem the most correct.
Take a broader view - if the persistent badgering of the monero guys gets us to build the privacy we need, then it works for the greater good. Competition is good.
Exactly. And an ancap world is about competition, right? So he should be okay with the concept of using Monero in addition to just Bitcoin.
Your say you are a Christian for peace in your bio, yet you are not representing either with this comment.
What does that make you?
Shut the fuck up, sir
What kind of dumbass reposts their own replies. You feel cool don’t you, mystic faggot
Spoken like a true Christian hypocrite.
You are a man, you zealot
You think you can ascend while denying the nature of your existence? Good fucking luck with that, stay in the cycle.
I need to hang this note up on my wall or wear it as a shirt.
Every “Christian” is a hypocrite and every “patriot” a Russian shill
Bonk the disgusting bootlickers accordingly
Any Bitcoiner will say these quotes are fake news.
Ava you're a virtue signaling machine.
Buy two tested faraday case.
Test it.
Buy device w cash, put it in faraday case.
Put your phone in faraday case.
Go to public wifi.
Use device.
Put it back in faraday case.
Go home.
Never use it at home.
Put your phone in faraday case before arriving to your destination of public wifi.
When you bring up identity you're confusing anonymity and privacy yet again.
if you're threat model is a Global Passive Adversary that observes all internet traffic than LN offers zero privacy.
otoh
monero still prevents the observer from seeing *what* monero is being sent to whom.
No, you're dishonest shill & can't explain shit
I won't argue against that. If you know what you're doing you can have strong privacy on Lightning.
I wouldn't recommend it to the average user though because of what is required.
Because of it's horrid UX in practice 90% aren't using Lightning privately. They're using custodians like Wallet of Satoshi, or to a lesser degree LSPs like ACINQ with Phoenix, that can surveil them.
Defaults and simplicity go a long way. And I don't even think Monero is particularly great in that regard, but relative to privacy with Lightning it is.
When the improvements in the next 5 years come to Lightning, and it gets more adoption, I'll reevaluate again
ill argue against that.
a simple swap is likely totally insufficient.
I assumed he meant swap to Lightning and then spend it on Lightning. But yea if it's just a naive swap back and forth that doesn't really do much.
And even then it's difficult to evaluate the level of privacy you gain on Lightning because it's hard to quantify (because of things like large routing nodes being able to map large areas of the network since many payments are going through them). General public doesn't have that info, but those large nodes do.
MONERO
you send nokyc monero from a mobile wallet tied to your identity
and if youre under targeted surveillance The Adversary probably knows you used monero. depending if you're connecting to a local node or not.
but they don't know how much your spent or where it went.
if you're NOT under targeted surveillance, its impossible to gain information about your monero usage in the future.
BITCOIN
if you use Bitcoin the same way, sending a nonKYC utxo from a wallet while under surveillance
they will know exactly what utxo you spent if The Adversary is surveiling you. obviously where it went and how much is known and can be correlated against other data.
additionally
if at ANY point in the future a utxo of yours is tied to IRL identity, your entire cluster of txs is clearly identified.
