Nostr Web Client

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago 💬 67

i have issues with several android nostr apps

they refuse to accept my nsec in bech32 form, the nsec.... format

idk why, because it works perfectly in my relay, and with alby, but amber right now is one signer i'm having trouble with at the moment, and it seems that new version of coracle android uses it, and without my nsec in it, it refuses to post notes, and without it installed, it refuses to run

i have no fucking idea what is wrong with you stupid devs that you can't even write a simple fucking bech32 decoder correctly, is there something wrong with your brains?

in order to decode my nsec into hex i have to sit down and spend 10 minutes writing a piece of code to deal with the problem that you guys are causing me, so, i'm just not using nostr on my mobile. coracle android is abominably slow anyway, waste of time, and i'm not using mister fucking hipster rockstar vitor pamplona's trash, which seems to be the nearest thing to a client that actually works on android

it's embarrassing as a programmer to be associated with you people, and it's embarrassing that you think that you are building freedom tech, but you really don't even know how to build a fucking fried egg

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greenart7c3 8mo ago

Is it in uppercase?

Silberengel 8mo ago

I don't know what he's precisely referring to, but I spent about twenty minutes, last week, trying to login to Coracle on my laptop, using Amber to sign in, and nothing worked.

greenart7c3 8mo ago

Scanning the qrcode or pasting the bunker URL?

Silberengel 8mo ago

Tried everything.

Silberengel 8mo ago

Figured it was Coracle. That's full of bugs, now. But it might have been Amber.

But, I've never managed to login to a website from Amber, other than Nostrudel.

greenart7c3 8mo ago

Yea, it's a pain to use web apps with a bunker

Tried to talk to web devs many times but none of them add a simple connection check or show the relay and signer error messages so the user and the signer dev can see if it's the client, the relay or the signer having problems.

In amber when a there's a problem sending the event to the relay I try to show a message for the user and there's the logs in the settings which is a bit hard to read

Silberengel 8mo ago

Let me see if it works, now.

Silberengel 8mo ago

greenart7c3 8mo ago

Did you enable Tor? Is the orbot app running?

Silberengel 8mo ago

I have Orbot installed, but not running.

greenart7c3 8mo ago

Is it enabled in amber settings?

Silberengel 8mo ago

Hmmm. I just disabled it in settings.

Silberengel 8mo ago

It seems to have put the broken nsec Link in my Amber connection list. Let me delete that and try again.

Silberengel 8mo ago

I can't seem to remove it. Only the permissions, not the entire entry.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

Silberengel 8mo ago

Ah, different window. Got it.

Silberengel 8mo ago

Same.

greenart7c3 8mo ago

Are you using citrine as the bunker relay?

Silberengel 8mo ago

It's nsec.app relay.

greenart7c3 8mo ago

Do you have multiple accounts? Turn off Tor on those accounts too and let me know if it worked

Silberengel 8mo ago

I turned it off on all accounts and then I wanted to double-check that it was really off, for one of them, and clicked one level up in the account list and now the account list icon disappeared. It sometimes does that. Just goes away.

Silberengel 8mo ago

Stop and restarted and now it worked. 🎉

Silberengel 8mo ago

Glad it works. Very frustrating, to always be stuck with a browser extension, as I don't want to use that on every browser on every machine.

Silberengel 8mo ago

It took me a while, to turn it off. I have all of my organisation and test accounts on there. Also don't understand why I need to turn it off, there, when I've turned off Orbot. Shouldn't it detect that Orbot is gone and turn itself off?

Silberengel 8mo ago

Or, could the error include some sort of informative text, suggesting that the user make sure Orbot is off and that they should also try changing the Orbot connection in the settings?

Silberengel 8mo ago

You could actually detect if they were on and offer the option to turn them off, to continue. Probably the most user-friendly and transparent route.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

yeah, i'm pretty much nah for nostr on mobile, jumble doesn't fit a portrait display well and this stuff about the signer not recognising my nsec is super annoying... i got better things to be doing than writing a decoder tool to get the hex

Silberengel 8mo ago

Do you mean on this page?

I can't tell which feature you are referring to? Is it something from the command line?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

yep, it's not accepting my nsec, the same one i'm using fine right now with alby

there is something wrong with the java/kotlin bech32 codec, i'm sure of it, i encountered this same issue previously with that now abandoned one, what was it called... closed source one, i had to also decode my nsec to hex to get it to recognise it... plebstr, that was the one, it had the same problem

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

i used the qr code scanning function after making a QR code on my desktop with the npub as it would be if you pasted it in there, i'm quite sure there was nothing wrong with the text

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

i may end up writing that decoder tool and then see if re-encoding it makes a different text because it's possible it's the checksum and not the actual data (really it can't be the data)

Silberengel 8mo ago

Ah, I get it. Are you trying to implement Amber with your client? If so, that would be very cool.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

no i was just trying to use coracle on my mobile after an upgrade, which now disabled the previously saved nsec, and it wouldn't accept my nsec from scanning it from a QR code, the text looked right in the input box but it said it was invalid

Silberengel 8mo ago

Ah, okay. Also, that would be very cool. 😁

Would it even be possible to use Amber over the API? Or do I just sound confused?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

amber is just a signer, it doesn't dispatch the events to the relay afaik

Silberengel 8mo ago

Yeah, I meant, if it would be possible to use it to sign. Instead of a browser extension or something on the command line.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

i didn't know amber had a pc based version, i thought it was only for mobile

but yes, i'd say so, that's all it does, it has a list of rules about what it automatically signs and what it prompts and what it rejects and you just fling unsigned events at it and it signs them and returns them

Laeserin 8mo ago

Yes, apparently. I also thought it only worked on mobile because everything else gave me an error, but that was apparently Orbot interfering.

Amber is always on Android, but the PC client can generate a link, display it with a QR code, and then you just take a pic of that with your phone and open that in Amber, and it signs. Pretty cool.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

is it a bunker?

i assume once you do it one time it keeps on working, i'm guessing that the QR code has the bunker address thingy

Laeserin 8mo ago

Yes, the code is just bunker://

Laeserin 8mo ago

So, your API could just show a QR code. Just checked. Yes, you could have a QR endpoint. Cool.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

you mean where it provides a bunker address to a caller?

i don't really know how bunkers work exactly, just the vague idea they involve ephemeral events and the relay acts as a middleman to pass the message between the signer and the client

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

what i mean is, i'm pretty sure it is just a regular event so it goes through the /event endpoint that publishes events

the /relay endpoint could be used instead for this, but the ephemeral kind designation has the same effect (i just want to have an explicit call for relaying for future work, like the IRC like protocol i have in mind)

greenart7c3 8mo ago

I'll see it I can check if orbot has something to check if its on. Also I'll change the tor settings to be a general settings and not an account settings

greenart7c3 8mo ago

I never seen this. It must be the profile picture loading I'll change it to show the loading and error states to see if this is the problem

Silberengel 8mo ago

That could be it, yes.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

most browsers don't let you connect to localhost sites from remote sites no way no how

the only way it could be made to work is if you had a wireguard tunnel set up remotely with a remote address (DNS or just IP) that the local bunker or personal relay connects out to in order to make the round trip

the other caveat is that because the inbound connection has to go out to the remote address first you are essentially sending signals in a loop out to the remote and back to talk to the local device

it is vaguely possible that if you simply have a wireguard address for the bunker it routes directly to the address of the local device, and another possibility is using the hosts file to spoof that the address is remote somehow, i dunno what is possible but this is one of the most irritating things about web browsers

possibly if the app was also hosted locally it would bypass this limitation

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

as in, to have the web app served from a server on your own device, this would work for android almost certainly, but i think this also means the web app must be served by a native application (network service), this could be done with Go or with kotlin or java or similar, after all, it is just delivering a bundle of javascript to the browser

Silberengel 8mo ago

Yeah, it works with my mobile browser, but not the laptop.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

the mobile is running orbot, right? maybe amber and citrine know to set up listeners on the tor network? if so that means that you are behind a 6 hop round trip to random tor nodes to access the server on your own machine

Silberengel 8mo ago

I just turned Orbot off, but maybe it's still causing trouble.

cc nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl

Has the issue improved after nostr-tools started supporting automatic reconnections? Do you still encounter signature failures often?

Silberengel 8mo ago

It fails more often, now, than before.

Have refresh multiple times, to see notifications or change the page.

Received 🫡

And with jumble.social? Works?

Silberengel 8mo ago

Let me try...

Silberengel 8mo ago

No, I get the same error.

Silberengel 8mo ago

Works now. It was the latent Orbot connection.

Silberengel 8mo ago

nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl A QR code would be a real blessing, tho.

Absolutely right. However, nostr-tools doesn't support, so I'll need to find some time to implement it myself. It might take a little while.

slapsquat 8mo ago

Not just the android apps. The whole ecosystem is built by noobs. Some of the NIPS are so retarded. They became the "standard" because some client got there first and some grifter relay operators vibe coded it in. Oh and don't even get me started about primal

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 8mo ago

All the NIPs so far are kinda retarded

But at least these retards built a social media platform with no bans, while nobody else was getting that done in this whole retard world

slapsquat 8mo ago

The NIPs are retarded, not the people who built the platform. One does not need to be retarded to come up with a retarded idea. All it takes is ignorance.

I am sure that we, the real retards, will be able to, in time, iterate and make the protocol better. For the time being we are just digging deep, testing shit out, ranting away to let other retards feel less alone while forcing us all to think about better approaches. Power to the real retards

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 8mo ago

Someday the protocol will be smart, but the people on it will still be kinda dumb. That's the future I envision

The Beave 8mo ago 💬 58

This is the kind of stuff that needs to be fixed before whatever new stuff is being built.

nostr:nevent1qqsrxwd69qjs0chqnrd62avr6q6vdrxkdjtcta3xl67spqy650e4fxcprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7q3qfjqqy4a93z5zsjwsfxqhc2764kvykfdyttvldkkkdera8dr78vhsxpqqqqqqznslx9v

verbiricha 8mo ago

You can literally use nak and convert it without having to sperg out