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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

For all those 'mericans that are in "panic mode" using Phoenix, here is what you should do:

1. Save you phoenix seed.

2. Uninstall from app store (because is linked to your account)

3. Install app from their github, without any fucking app store

https://github.com/ACINQ/phoenix/releases

4. Restore from seed.

Done, be happy and ignore all the shit.

If you still use an apple shit, drop it now and take an android, de-googled and do those steps.

If you still want to use your fancy apple crap... sorry but you have been warned.

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Matthieu 1y ago

Did I miss something happening with phœnix or is this just referencing the overall nervousness?

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GoldenSun777 1y ago

Problem solved ! 😂🫵🦁

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Kuba 1y ago

Why should be anyone in “panic mode” using Phoenix?

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

'mericans only 😄

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YawningGoat 1y ago

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vinney...axkl 1y ago

GrapheneOS on Android, if you're wondering what "de-googled" means in practice

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html

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zach 1y ago

Very cool write up and list of resources. Thank you.

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Toshi 1y ago

Or just use mutiny

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

If you do not use Mutiny with your own Mutiny server IT IS NOT DIFFERENT THAN WoS

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Toshi 1y ago

nostr:npub1t0nyg64g5vwprva52wlcmt7fkdr07v5dr7s35raq9g0xgc0k4xcsedjgqv is that correct?

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

You can't think for yourself?

The app by default is opening a LDK node on the mutinywallet.com domain, where reside a Mutiny server run by dev team.

Yes, you have the control of the keys and node, but if that domain goes busted, you cannot access your node.

That is not different than any custodial.

Think again. Run your own server and connect your device to it. Done.

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Toshi 1y ago

And how is Phoenix different?

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

It is not. That's the point of running your own server, no?

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

You can't think for yourself?

The app by default is opening a LDK node on the mutinywallet.com domain, where reside a Mutiny server run by dev team.

Yes, you have the control of the keys and node, but if that domain goes busted, you cannot access your node.

That is not different than any custodial.

Think again. Run your own server and connect your device to it. Done.

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fiatjaf 1y ago

No, I prefer to cry in absolute panic that our civil liberties are being attacked!

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TAX EVADER 10mo ago

Crying does not help

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DougTee 1y ago

Which android phone and OS do you recommend?? Looking to unchain from Apple

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Cerebrum 1y ago

Pixel with Graphene OS

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

1. Drop Apple ! You have been warned.

2. read this guide

https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html

3. Read more guides about wallets here

https://darth-coin.github.io/wallets/wallets.html

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GoldenSun777 1y ago

GrapheneOS on Google Pixel phones

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AceaSpades 1y ago

Graphene all the way https://grapheneos.org/

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Cerebrum 1y ago

And turn on TOR option in Phoenix so that the Phoenix (LSP) team can’t see you are from the US

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Leo Wandersleb 1y ago

Is uninstall really necessary? I would argue that if the apk on github is signed with the same key, which it should, then just update from there. No uninstall required or even recommended as by keeping the continuity you automatically verify the signature of the side-loaded apk to be by the same keys that signed the Play Store version.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Yes, because each app store is linked to a location and to a user.

Just do not install anymore from play stores !

Please read this guide

https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html

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Leo Wandersleb 1y ago

That guide is for the most adventurous ones but it doesn't answer my question.

If you just keep Phoenix installed, you should be able to even get updates from Google Play and if not, updating from a direct download should be safer than to remove Phoenix, first.

If you want to continue using Phoenix, removing it is definitely the wrong choice.

The Play Store app would let you uninstall side-loaded apps and if they are signed by the same keys, you could even update side-loaded apps from Google Play. Uninstalling to install from GitHub makes no sense at all unless they signed with a different key.

If you uninstall, you risk to lose funds and you inevitably end up incurring on-chain fees.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

No you don't lose any funds. Please read Phoenix FAQ page.

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Leo Wandersleb 1y ago

So your OP says: Uninstall from Play Store, install from GitHub. That is what I recommend against as it won't make a difference from the perspective of Play Store. It just means messing around with your wallet app and those who forget to make a good backup will inevitably lose funds for nothing. The Play Store doesn't care if you used it to install an app or not. It lets you uninstall apps you did not install using it and it lets you update apps oblivious of the sideloaded app not being signed by the same key. The Play Store app would just issue an obscure error if the signature was from a different key.

Unless you de-google your phone in the process, uninstalling is completely unnecessary and only dangerous.

Unless Phoenix is planning to force-close on its US users, there is no need to follow their instructions to close channels before a date neither. I hope they stir drama for drama sake only cause in panic is when people lose their funds.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

I just did myself the test on a separate device with Google play + an old Phoenix wallet.

Had like 2000 sats in it, legacy Phoenix even.

1. Saved the seed

2. Uninstalled from Google Play.

3. Download from Github the apk and install it

4. restored with seed

5. Funds were there just fine.

6. In Google Play account do not appear anymore as installed

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Leo Wandersleb 1y ago

That must have changed then. But still, even if you keep it installed on Google Play: installing updates via sideloading should just work. The uninstall step is unnecessary.

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Leo Wandersleb 1y ago

So I spent some time looking for a cellphone that is both available in Chile and known to work with Lineageos and I can't find any. Sadly we are far from de-googling being easy ☹️

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Look first on XDA forum https://xdaforums.com/

Many Lineage ROMs there.

I use for example a cheap (like150 cuckbuck) Moto G9 with a Lineage 19 (Android 12) and works perfectly fine.

Is just a matter of looking.

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TeslaLiberty 1y ago

Some guy from the Phoenix telegram channel recommended not doing this. Probably for their sake ?

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Nëïgsëndöïg 1y ago

That's not a solution. It's a full on workaround.

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Stu 1y ago

I still can't get my head around Bitcoiners using 🍏devices.

The whole App Store shit too. 🤦🏽

Google Pixel + GrapheneOS is just so easy these days.

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Ralphy 1y ago

Using with or without google play services? I’m struggling without and thinking about adding it just to improve my battery life

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Robot 1y ago

Why not CalyxOS?

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Stu 1y ago

I have no experience with it, that's all.

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BlissHodl 1y ago

nostr:npub1lxktpvp5cnq3wl5ctu2x88e30mc0ahh8v47qvzc5dmneqqjrzlkqpm5xlc thx ... on a degoogle phone , is it ok if it was installed with Aurora store ??? ... Orange Blessings !!!!

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gandlaf21 1y ago

Better to use obtainium, and get the apk directly from the source. I'm not sure if aurora uses the US store in the background

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Exactly! Aurora is just another account using google app store. Same shit.

You must drop totally any use of that.

Obtainium is the GOAT.

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almost⚡️heaven 1y ago

Is there a tutorial on how to install on iOS? I’m not good with computers.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Drop the fucking IOS ! You have been warned!

https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html

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almost⚡️heaven 1y ago

Ok, i meant is there an easy way to get nostr:npub148qm45zettnf6ekgkatnyfadunxwjpu8sy88mjdsgwc5f202d93qmejra7 on my phone using GitHub. I read through the page, but it looks too complicated for me. It’s a shame bc that was my favorite lightning wallet.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Why do you still insist with using iOS?

Please read here: https://stacker.news/items/447944

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almost⚡️heaven 1y ago

Mainly bc I’m not going to buy another phone.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

You have been warned.

Selling that iShit will give you more money to buy not 1 but 2 android devices.

No need to buy an ultra-extra fancy latest model of android.

A cheap android with lineage / calyx / graphene can handle all you need to use Bitcoin.

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Joel Walbert 1y ago

Not so much panic, more fuck them. Obviously it takes exactly zero pressure for them to cave. They'll do it again eventually for other countries

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Ah sure Acinq they are pussies. I posted this quick guide just because people are getting panicked and can do stupid things.

https://stacker.news/items/520627

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Big Barry Bitcoin 1y ago

Don't forget to take some personal accountability. If you recommended this product to someone, you did it with full knowledge that this could have happened.

The only way to stay sovereign is to do it all yourself and to lift others up to do the same. Unless it takes exactly zero pressure for you to cave and put the responsibility onto someone else.

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Joel Walbert 1y ago

What the fuck you babbling about? Im fucking annoyed by these cowards, nothing more. You are more than welcome to not put words in my mouth and not accuse me of saying something Im not saying.

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cryptowolf 1y ago

What happened?

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milkpaste 1y ago

perfect time for people to switch to grapheneos and fk app stores off

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Roman K 1y ago

Which Android is best tested for graphene or degoogling? Largest user base?

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Anhinga 1y ago

Pixel phones

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Roman K 1y ago

Yet google is the biggest aggregator of personal data in the world and caught red-handed many times

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𝔽𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕣 ℕ𝕚𝕔𝕜 𝔹𝕝𝕒𝕙𝕒 1y ago

does their LSP functionality also depend on geographical location? Channel splicing, etc.

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anon 1y ago

PSA: in Android (including GrapheneOS, and most likely all other forks), any installed app can see all other installed apps, even if they were installed from different sources.

Every app/service on your phone will still be able to see that you have Phoenix installed if they care to look.

On GrapheneOS, you could install Phoenix in a different user profile by itself or with only other apps that you trust not to share info.

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FloorHodl 1y ago

AM I blind? step 3 is baffeling me

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FloorHodl 1y ago

How to install from github?

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

Go to android version, click on assets and download the apk.

Why is so hard?

Or use Obtainium

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falsefaucet 1y ago

Obtanium can't make it any easier imo

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FloorHodl 1y ago

It was such a long scroll to find the .apk file😉

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

If you will use Obtainium to get apps directly from their github, you can just put in the search box the name and you will get the link.

Then Obtainium will just alert you when a new release is available.

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falsefaucet 1y ago

amazing people are just now learning about unofficial appstores android and side loading apks.

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DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

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Matt 1y ago

You can use #Obtainium to do this for many apps. It'll manage updates too. Not all apps will handle updates automatically.

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Matt 1y ago

Use #Obtainium to manage many apps using this technique in a simple GUI. Updates are handled too.

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Chromie 1y ago

if I could zap you I would, thanks for this, never heard of it before

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Liberty Farmer 1y ago

Will they be banning us ip? What about install geo checking like sports betting has?

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Ƒʉͫcͧкͭιͪηͣ 𝕵𝖔𝖍𝖓 ⚡️⚡️ 1y ago

Seems like you don't understand how lightning works they are closing their LSP.

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tohrxyz 1y ago

they arent doing any such thing. they are blocking ips by location. so i assume american bros would have to be on vpn always while using phoenix.

which you already should be doing 24/7, preferrably something good and paid for anonymously like mullvad or ivpn

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[ARCHIVED] Jay 1y ago

Apple is the attack vector.

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tohrxyz 1y ago

apple is an attack vector.

opt out. take pixel and degoogle it with grapheneos

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