A hellthread for newbies should happen. Great idea from nostr:npub1n0pdxnwa4q7eg2slm5m2wjrln2hvwsxmyn48juedjr3c85va99yqc5pfp6 šŸ”„šŸ¤™

Maybe one thread gets auto-created per day, for new accounts? A bot could perhaps moderate (ie create and add accounts)? Or a client could look for a specific hashtag or highlight/group users some other way?

I’d love to see a client that incorporates this into the onboarding flow.

Something simple like a hashtag-based recommendation. ā€œJoin a thread with other users who signed up this weekā€ and show the most recent conversations with the #NewbieThread hashtag or something like this.

Seasoned nostriches could also follow the hashtag if their client supports it (most clients seem to allow following hashtags now, right?), and we can chime in to offer technical support or guidance to the hatchlings.

Thoughts? Problems with this?

Wish I’d heard of this before our panel on Thursday, nostr:npub1aeh2zw4elewy5682lxc6xnlqzjnxksq303gwu2npfaxd49vmde6qcq4nwx nostr:npub1hqaz3dlyuhfqhktqchawke39l92jj9nt30dsgh2zvd9z7dv3j3gqpkt56s nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424

#plebchain

#introductions

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I don't think it's a horrible idea. It could be interesting if executed correctly. Not everyone likes hell threads or even understands them though. Having it be completely opt it could be fun for those that want to get in. However the issue with hell threads is getting out. You can't on most clients. If a noob gets overwhelmed they're stuck and have to essentially suck it up. Proper and thorough explanations would be needed too.

Thanks man, appreciate the thoughts. I didn’t realize most clients don’t offer a ā€œmute convoā€ like Damus - I assumed that was widespread by now 😬

My thinking was that a bot could find the conversation, check that a user is real/not spam, and tag them into the thread with a brief explanation of why (and how to mute, ideally).

I’m thinking that a more social-forward onboarding experience, one that gets around the early discovery limitations and introduces new users to seasoned nostriches and vice versa, could make a meaningful impact on user retention, if people get off to a good start šŸ¤”

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Yo team

nostr:npub1q33jywkl8r0e5g48lvrenxnr3lw59kzrw4e7p0cecslqzwc56eesjymqu0 had a great idea below

A bot that relies to #introductions posts with an onboarding guide 🤯

- Simpler and more efficient to implement than a client-side feature

- More customizable (link to a guide that can be updated as needed)

- Much wider reach/range than anything done on the individual client level

It could link to nostr:npub1zuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsk6c2uc's Nostr.how (I kno I owe you two PR cleanups Jeff, sorry for the delay 🫣), and/or any of numerous simple intro guides.

Perhaps even just to a single web page with ā€œgetting started, best practices, and more resourcesā€ guides and links.

I feel like this would answer a lot of the questions that came up during NostrVillage.

Am I missing anything obvious? Drawbacks? Has it been done before?

I guess it’s ā€œcentralizingā€ in a sense that everyone’s getting the same intro guide. But at the same time, anyone could build this if there were a reason to ā€œcompeteā€ or something. Which if nostr gets to as far as that stage, it would be a good problem to have. So like that’s not an issue.

Do bots work this way? Like can it be connected to relays A through Z, follow a specific hashtag, and then reply to every post with that content that it sees?

nostr:npub13wfgha67mdxall3gqp2hlln7tc4s03w4zqhe05v4t7fptpvnsgqs0z4fun You’ve been here long enough, why don’t you make yourself useful for once?

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I want it to be a Derek bot so after the initial intro they can ask him extra questions as needed.

#RosstrichBot

He’d need to be paid CEO salary though, and I’m not sure it’s in the budget

He is already doing it. We can feed him beer and good times. lol

Oh Derek himself should absolutely get the salary. I just meant I’m not sure we can also pay a bot the derekbucks

lol well someday, both will bank of our nostr love

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The concept of a hell thread is new to me. I didn’t come from X so not familiar with the term. On the Fediverse I follow the introductions tab and say hi to new people, just as a courtesy, I think it’s a nice thing to do.

If it’s more creating a massive thread for them, maybe not so good? Especially if bots are involved? My first experience on Nostr was a bit spouting racist bullshit on every post I made. Not the best welcome…

Helping them with links to guides and stuff is great. An tell them how to mute things asap!

Hey! First, thanks for your reply!

That sucks about the early bot experience. Not a fun intro. Most people here are very decent, though.

Anyway, ā€œhellthreadā€ is a term of endearment for a note with tons of tagged users, so that whenever someone replies, everyone who was tagged gets notified (and so the notifications from conversations within a hellthread can be pretty overwhelming). Most clients let you ā€œmuteā€ the conversation now, without muting the users whom you may still want to engage with in the future.

But it’s a good way to get a bunch of people to ā€œmeetā€ and find one another, which can otherwise be somewhat difficult. My thinking re: a bot account was moreso that it could ā€œwatchā€ for a newly created npub, perhaps with some filtration criteria to verify that it’s a human account and not spam, and then the ā€œnostr 4 newbiesā€ bot could comment on the newest note with a hashtag #NewbieThread (or whatever) and tag the new user, perhaps also with a canned response to explain what’s happening…

Nostr 4 Newbie bot? N4N?

N4Nny?

Like the nice nanny who suggests that you invite your new friend over after school? Lol idk at this point just having fun (and overtired 🫠)

When I see that sort of stuff I always think of a 17 year old kid in their bedroom being edgy on the internet for kicks, they're clearly trying to illicit a response and if you don't give one, they tend to disappear (although I assume it's still replying as when I try a new client, it's back again). I can see a lot of people thinking that's a hard no from them though.

Now I know what you mean by a hell thread it makes more sense. I envisioned it more like a pile on, which even done in good faith, could be a bit overwhelming.

Maybe a bot that responded to introductions with a simple guide to Nostr? That would be pretty cool IMO, although way over my skill level!

Hashtags are cool.

Hey friend, sorry to never answer this! It must have gotten buried in my notifications because I don’t recall reading it. But someone just liked another note in the thread, so when I read through it again just now, I found your reply šŸ¤™

Definitely agree re: the bot behavior. It’s juvenile and toxic at best, but definitely a swift move to turn away interested new users who perhaps aren’t prepared to be responsible for the bulk of their own content consumption and moderation, or who are just testing the waters to see what an uncensored digital communication network looks like, and what they find ranges from unsavory to downright awful. It’s rare, in my experience, but still a problem without an obvious solution.

I love your idea of an introductions ā€œreply guyā€ bot. That’s a really clever approach, and there is definitely an opportunity to improve the onboarding experience here. (I wouldn’t know how to code it either, but we’re lucky that nostr is chock-full of brilliant devs).

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Yeah, I think this is interesting

Yes, great idea. This newbie prompt exists in damus. Hashtag is #introductions

You know what… The intro hashtag might do the trick, if there was a bot that comments under a new #introductions post and tags the most recent 5-10 other npubs who sent a note with an intro hashtag… perhaps filtering anyone who was previously tagged, or only chiming in on every fift note, or something like that.

N4N bot: ā€œHello, and welcome! Here are a few other nostr newbies who just introduced themselves too: @Alice, @Bob, @etc.. why not start with sharing what brought each of you to Nostr?ā€

Something like that šŸ¤™

How does one write a nostr bot? šŸ˜…

Ok so this is better: instead of a bot that tries to introduce users to one another (cumbersome and perhaps not all that effective), just a bot that replies to each Intro note with a simple onbaording guide? Doesn’t require client feature development or coordination, just a bot-building dev and someone to maintain a basic webpage…

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