Just asking, are there only Bitcoin Maxis?
I’m into crypto but would love a diversified list of crypto minded people
Discussion
You can find that elsewhere I’m sure. CrYpTo has a place in fiat world - not a place like this. Good on you for trying it out though.
You'll find some crypto people and no-coiners here. There's even one Nostr skeptic lol. Come and build whatever you want on Nostr. ⚒️
I'm interested in seeing DAO's make a presence here
Who are some of the nocoiners?
#[59] is a Nostr skeptic and I think a nocoiner
Nostr skeptic? Haha. I point out Nostr notes are public and all metadata is unencrypted and public, which is unsuitable for DM's, and has no delete, and now I'm a skeptic. By that standard, jb55 is also a skeptic.
If not-a-skeptic means you refuse to point out facts of the matter about a thing, I hope I will never *not* be a skeptic.
I'm a blockchain abolitionist because it's a surveillance nightmare that didn't solve the generals problem without centralizing something, it just centralized the ledger. Nostr has decentralized ledgers. A blockchain is a centralized ledger (singular) distributed over a CDN. Distributed != decentralized.
Thanks for the clarification! I like the concept of decentralized ledgers.
They serve different purposes.
I really wish people stopped doing nostr DMs.
@jb55 are DMs encrypted on nostr?
I thought that was the point
Only the `message` value is encrypted. All metadata is public, and your public IP's are logged at the relays. And the `message` value is decrypted by *any* party to the conversation's nsec, so even that obfuscation (not privacy, just obfuscation of a public record) can be undone without any fault of your own, by some other party leaking their key.
To see just how bad DMs are, login using jb55 or someone else's npub and take a look at the Messages. You can see who, when, how often, who sends more messages, what time of night, etc.
I'm sure you can find some shitcoiners around, but I doubt you'll find many.
Your Nostr experience depends on who you follow. Right now bitcoiners appear to be making up the majority of early adopters, but that will change. No doubt all sorts of people, with varied interests, will discover Nostr and broaden the usage base.
As it should be. Open protocols attract all types. Bitcoin is for enemies (as well as friends). That said, don’t expect maxis to follow you or engage you (like we are right now).
Just wait until the shitcoiners starts removing zaps and implements metamask instead in their shitcoin clients ... 😅
ugh that thought disgusts me
I guess they'll just fork nostr to accomplish that.
no its too slow EVM type Proofofscam coins
Just wait until my ElonBabyShibaRagnarok coins unleash Nostr's true potential!
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Basically there is only people. everything else is tribal behaviour and hasn't really worked out for us... ever. To me there is only people I get on with and people I don't get on with and everything else is man-made separation.
We're all beautiful, we're all purple. Everything else is personal choices and discrimination in "crypto"graphy
So you are saying you are surrounded by people that have your best interests at heart but you’d like to find more people that want to scam you and take your money? Interesting strategy cotton.
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These comments should send a jolt to your nervous system.
All are welcome, but newcomers beware, you will get
I have a hard time understanding why more crypto people aren’t coming to Nostr
I'm tempted to say because there's no shitcoin to pump and dump, but probably they just haven't heard about it yet.
They will in time I think. Just need a few people in their sphere of influence to make the switch and the rest will follow 🤷♂️
Bitcoin is the real deal.
“Crypto” is distraction at best; scams and fuckery at worst (and OFTEN!)
Bitcoin separates money and state. It works.
The rest is noise.
You really should listen to the maxis. They know something.
Shitcoiners dont care about decentralization - they care about their bags - their bags are not bitcoin - thus they dont care about Nostr.
Pretty simple little equation - enjoy your "verified" NFT profile pics on Twitter!
The irony of stating others "don't care about decentralization" while pushing just 1 solution will never not be lost on you.
How many ways do employ to wipe your arse? How much decentralization does that task need? Fucking shitcoiners I swear 🙄. I mean, how do we fix stupid? That’s my question.
You fix stupid with 20 years on the Bitcoin standard
such a blanket statement, and inaccurate. I care about decentralization for certain things, I also do believe in other projects besides the bitcoin.
Im not pushing one solution, im advocating a real solution to the international money problem.
There is no other tool that offers such a solution.
I'm not pushing one solution, there's no other solution I am pushing. Gotcha.
Historically, real gold was the only solution, anyone who adopted silver got rekt.
Here we go again...
What a load of bull. Historically, merchant-issued credit was the primary solution. Each merchant generated their own currency and maintained their own ledger. You know, decentralized, not a central issuer with a central ledger like Bitcoin.
#[57] The closest electronic solution to the merchant-issued decentralized credit notes I've seen is Pear Credit, which is blockchain-free like Nostr and doesn't require maintenance or fees because they're not trying to maintain a single authoritative global state like Bitcoin.
Free audio book "Debt: The First 5000 Years" by David Graeber here. A study of how people akshully traded before centrally issued brand name currencies, like USD or Bitcoin. http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/64160
Lmfao, oh mannnnnn
it’s been a while since i read it, but doesn’t graeber argue that early credit based systems worked well in small networks where trust was high but didn’t work so well when transacting outside those networks?
Lmao so youre totally confused between ledgers & currency at this point.
You’re drowning in so many psyops that you’re now incapable of comprehension.
There is no irony here no.
Bitcoin maxipads are monopolists. You want a mono-polar financial instrument. Just one instrument that is also one Store of Value that is also one Medium of Exchange that is also one Fantastic Investment Opportunity. You also want One Grand Unified Ledger, not multiple ledgers.
It's not necessisarilly that we all want it, it's just that we all recognize that it's inevitable whether we want it or not...
Nicely put
Not inevitable, he's talking about use cases that retard each other. See my response.
Except, you know, that a thing's volatility retards it's use case as a dispassionate means of exchange. Worst of all, expecting a unit to be worth more next month makes you less likely to hire Johnny to mow your lawn this month, making everyone poorer on net. Since, as the Austrian school shows, prosperity does not excrete from a printing press, a mining rig, or a fixed-pie token gambling pool.
Prosperity excretes from the felt improvement in standard of living for each party to a voluntary exchange. This is where seeing 'medium of exchange' as 'fantastic investment opportunity' work at cross-purposes. One facilitates exchanging. The other penalizes exchanging and rewards declining to exchange (hoarding aka hodling aka the opposite of making a voluntary, prosperity-generating exchange).
Maximalism is a synonym for monopolistic fanaticism, right or wrong. Nothing to do with a plurality of decentralized solutions. One grand unified eternal immutable global ledger or bust.
That's not the thesis at all.
Since youre incapable of having an honest conversation, read the sovereign individual, it was written in 1996 - so pre btc.
Read the book, or dont & keep spewing nonsense.
Lysander comes across as someone really beating themself up and then getting angry again and repeating. I have a colleague like this who however much says he wishes to talk about a topic just answers for you and argues with himself 🤷♂
Notice how not a single blockchain enthusiast has been able to avoid the ad hominem personal attack? That's how you know you're dealing with cognitive dissonance.
Nostr has laid bare just how centralized Bitcoin Core with it's ~5 core developers + the grand unified Bitcoin blockchain with a singular authoritative version, distributed not decentralized, really are.
Not a personal attack, just noticing how you love getting wound up. You want everyone to agree with you about your view of Bitcoin. No one does but you still keep arguing on. 🤷♂️
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already, but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already.
This is true for #[2] and most other brainwashed economist nowadays. They will all die on the hill, that they know better already.
Most non economists understand #Bitcoin way faster by approaching the topic from first principles. Especially if they live in authoritarian regimes with high inflation.
#plebchain
I approach life from this view and agree. I don't wish to attack Lysander, he has his views and I respect them. I just don't agree and it's pointless to keep arguing round and round as he does. After quite a while now in and around Bitcoin's deep rabbit hole it's clear this is a phenomenal paradigm shift to a sound money standard and what it will bring for so many
I fully agree. It’s clear that he hasn’t done the work after reading some notes, which is fine as long as he does not attack people with another opinion.
Anyway, he will get humbled as everybody else who attacks #Bitcoin. They are all actually attacking their own reputation.
#followed BitcoinSandy
Agreed Sandy.
If someone argues using a long list of names and spams my notifications with nonsense, he doesn't deserve a response. That's like a salesperson placing his foot in the door. Debates are not held like that.
Another lie, to obfuscate weak argument (s).
I've have read swaths of it. I saw nothing 'sovereign' about what's now better called 'the network state'. I see it along the lines of The Zeitgeist who were openly pushing post-state blockchain based Communism.
- There's nothing 'sovereign' about taking the choice of ledger (or none at all) out of the hands of the trading parties themselves and logging it all in one grand unified public blockchain.
- There's nothing 'sovereign' about depending on a centrally issued fiat (yes, 21M is an arbitrary number, proving it's fiat nature -- could have just as easily been 42M cos it was decreed into existence) token.
- There's nothing 'sovereign' about being unable to buy or sell bananas without a electricity and an Internet connection.
Here's a book I highly recommend for you -- "Debt: The First 5000 Years" by David Graeber is a study of actually decentralized currency; how people traded before centrally issued fiat wannabe-monopoly brands like USD and BTC:
http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/64160
Free audiobook version. The 2nd chapter is called "The Myth of Barter". It wasn't that. Each merchant generated their own credit, on their own private ledger, which was destroyed without a trace when they 'broke even'. Your grand unified global public ledger knows nothing of decentralization.
So your reading comprehension is nill, this isnt an ad hominem - just a conclusion im forced to make if this what youre focused on, rather than the actual thesis of why a cryptographoc currency is not only viable, but will allow people to more readily vote with their feet.
Can you guys stop tagging everybody?
Oh cool, you can remove the tags
How?
On amethyst, click on those little Xs near the names.
Don't know on Damus though, I wiped my iPad clean
That’s the problem with Keynesianism and shitcoining in general - the belief that you can “excrete prosperity”.
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Do you eat your own shit, though?
Yep, monopolistic fanaticism to end central banking.
An eternal, immutable end to the fuckers.
I love it.
Monopolistic fanaticism only creates a new center. That's all Bitcoin bros wanna do. Establish a new center, and intricately log every transaction on Earth in one place -- not move into the multi-polar world that actually frees people.
Ah you’re mad because we don’t want a “decentralized” protocol with a huge pre-mine and changing narratives
Nope. I am against all grand unified ledgers (blockchains), since they are all centralized (one authoritative version of all-the-data) and distributed -- not decentralized.
This is one of the most retarded take I've ever seen. Money is not an asset per se, how can it be monopolistic, oligopolistic or whatever. It's a tool and tools are neutral. You're talking about securities, that's where your logic comes in action. Cryptos are securities because they're issued by central entities.
Guess who is behind bitcoin? No-fucking-body.
Yeah, the perfectly mysterious Creation myth! :p I bet the 'who' is behind Bitcoin looks like a large cube in the desert covered in black glass.
No-fucking-body? Who arbitrarily chose the 21M in digital fiat tokens? It's nowhere in the whitepaper.
Who centrally planned and artificially fixed the rate of supply in advance, removing the price stabilizing Austrian mechanism of a market-determined rate of supply which can naturally adapt to counterbalance price swings due to changes in demand? Guaranteeing volatility into perpetuity.
Who was that central planner? No-fucking-body? You sure about that? Of all the weird things blockheads say, calling a human agent or a human agency 'No-fucking-body' is right up there with calling a grand unified blockchain 'decentralized' instead of distributed.
What do you do for a living?
What would you gain with a multitude of monies as opposed to one solid measurement of value?
Stretching that bow so far it'll break..
We get it - you only like BTC. Congrats, well done.
Nostr stands on its own as a technology and it's a great one.
BTC is great too, but so are other coins.
Very close minded view this whole 'everything not BTC is a shitcoin'. No different to the people who think BTC is a 'scam currency' because it's not Fiat.
This is the type of thing that drives people away from BTC - a toxic and hostile community.
Most people who's become bitcoin maximalists, were into crypto. Its a maturity thing and education thing.
Hey Michael,
Sorry to hear I caused you a micro-aggression.
With that being said,
Fiat is a scam & always has been, but physical gold bars was clearly not a scam as you could melt it down and test its purity.
From this example you can pull my thoughts on bitcoin vs the field - it is a well thought out, nuanced journey ive been on & i find that ive actually turned every leaf, flipped every rock, meanwhile being fully engaged & open to every & anything.
This is my output,
Bitcoin is the only project I care about enough to put my wealth, where my mouth is.
Bitcoin is the only project that can protect me for whats to come.
Id let you learn from my vast experience, but you seem like you know better & would rather call me close minded - rather than inquisitive on why i think whay i do.
Goodluck on your journey, youre going to need it.
Sincerely,
GFY🧡
That's neither the meaning of 'micro-agression' or accurate but whatever blows your hair back..
It's possible to enjoy things without trying to pull others down who don't do what you do.
To say an entire group of people from massively diverse populations all think the same because they use other types of crypto coin IS close minded.
This pseudo-fanaticism is tiring for all involved and again - drives away adoption.
I'm quite secure in my choices and knowledge thanks. Quite willing to listen to people, but when they stand bringing others down to build themselves up - it usually means they're not really that secure or confident in their choices or statements.
Good luck with it anyway.
I dont mean to offend anyone, but neither did the dog who shit on the sidewalk.
Enjoy your life, Micro-Mike!
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Bro I am not gonna even read all that trash. HFSP Micro mike. Fucking rekt coming to nostr thinking you gonna less toxic plebs than twitter. Your dad should’ve used a sock.
Stay around crypto long enough and you will probably end up with bitcoin maximalist ideas too
I can totally agree with this.. however there is some truth in lies and some lies in the truth ☯️
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/zfyjdn/everyone_responsible_for_the_confusion_between/
Everyone responsible for the confusion between Bitcoin and crypto should read this
Bitcoin Ekasi is a bitcoin circular economy in South Africa. It is one of dozens of bitcoin circular economies around the world inspiring grassroots activities driving the adoption of bitcoin in Asia, Africa, Latin America.
The success of Bitcoin Ekasi is directly responsible for South Africa's largest supermarket chain Pick n Pay integrating bitcoin payments throughout the country.
This is a tweet from Bitcoin Ekasi today,
Here's the reality:
Today I attended the opening of a new Bitcoin education center in Kumasi, Ghana, in rural Africa.
The village chief spoke during the formalities and he expressed some unexpected skepticism towards the opening of the new center.
He said, and I'm paraphrasing:
"Bitcoin can be good, but it can be dangerous. Bitcoin can be a scam. A business collapsed and people lost millions of dollars. I am not sure you should teach our children about Bitcoin here."
Of course, the basics of Bitcoin to be taught at this center has nothing to do with the FTX casino and its crypto delinquency.
But this is the reality of its after effects.
This is the unseen and largely unrecognized effect of endless tokens riding on Bitcoin's coattails.
I challenge anyone who argues against Bitcoin Maximalism to step outside their techno bubble.
Step outside that place where a small minority of earth's people live, with a skill that takes years to acquire under the best of circumstances, which enables nuanced differentiation.
Take a trip down to ground level, come see what's being built, and spend time to understand it.
And then tell me Bitcoin Maximalism doesn't make sense.
I am waiting.
The proliferation of endless centralized premine, ICO shitcoins printed out of thin air by silicon valley start ups hiding behind bitcoin to escape from silicon valley regulations and those who support and enable shitcoin casinos are contributing to the confusion. The normalizing of affinity scam marketing and exploitation by companies and VC behind shitcoins is a scourge on bitcoin.
There's no company behind bitcoin. No foundation, premine, ICO, VC, license, trademarks, not even an "official" website, code repo or even a formal specification. There are only bitcoiners. If you think bitcoiners who call out and fight back against marketing of scams in the name of bitcoin are toxic, ask yourself what does that say about you?
When you think about bitcoin, think about this message from Hal Finney,
“The computer can be used as a tool to liberate and protect people, rather than to control them. Unlike the world of today, where people are more or less at the mercy of credit agencies, large corporations, and governments.
Naturally, in today's society, with power allocated so disproportionately, such ideas are a threat to large organizations. Balancing power would mean a net loss of power for them. So no institution is going to pick up and champion these ideas.
It's going to have to be a grass-roots activity, one in which individuals first learn of how much power they can have, and then demand it.”
― Hal Finney, The Cypherpunks Mailing List (1992)
Bitcoin is a human project built and shaped by people like you and me. Bitcoin's success originates from grassroots activities like Bitcoin Ekasi empowering people and communities who never had access to the global economy until now. Even if you are not someone who is positively making a difference to bitcoin, at least you can try not to be disruptive to people who are the real heroes of this movement.
Grounded perspective. This is what it’s all about; to unleash human potential.
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What is Finney attack?
Basically an attack against 0conf or trampoline channels or what have you. Basically people who think the transactions in peoples RAM, not written to the HDD as part of the merkle tree we call the timechain, might be a bit surprised to read about this.
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4942/what-is-a-finney-attack#4963
Hey! Thanks for your reply, I’m merely looking for like-minded people. It started as a question / conversation, why did it turn into a lecture?
I’m well aware of what Bitcoin is and what it represents, I’ve been in the space 7 years.
I’m on Damus, where apparently it’s mostly maxis, exactly BECAUSE I’m not in it for the moon and CT does have its limits. I want thinking and innovation, I’m fascinated by the tech, but to claim that BTC has not shortcomings is a lie. CSW is suing BTC devs to force them to fork the code to return him the BTCs he lost in MtGox. Can they do it? Yes. Could Mining pools be sued in their turn to endorse the fork? Yes. So seems there’s a problem.
Nothing in life is perfect, BTC isn’t a religion and the White Paper isn’t a Bible. And if they were, know that no war of religion ended up with either side winning.
We shouldn’t expect the WP to be faultless supposed and stare at problems without hope. As all tech, BTC is a work in progress. So screw the problems, and let’s talk about solutions. I love solutions, I’m a problem solver and working on my own solutions to some of BTCs shortcomings. So is this a place where people are open to listening?
Yeah I turned it into a lecture because crypto is just a scam. Companies ran by either a working group of other companies with a CEO who can make arbitrary changes or just a head CEO and no other working group. Its like bringing robux and runescape gold under the same "digital asset" umbrella as Bitcoin.
You're in it for the tech but that's where you already messed up. Bitcoin is a social construct first and software second. Suing volunteer developers is not a problem with Bitcoin, its a problem with society, but all it means is volunteer devs will stay anonymous.
Third even if you accept the idea of an innovative robux token or twitch bits or twitter coin (is in store credit innovative again? Talk about a throw back) there are many issues with these systems design choices. Any data not inherent to computing (information that exists outside the chain) has to go through an Oracle. Well why didn't you just start with a multi sig of oracles? Its cheaper and makes way more sense!
Nostr is filled with maxis because nostr was created to demonstrate that everything being built on "web3" could be done better without a timechain.
Do you seriously think CSW can hurt #Bitcoin? Sued pools? LOL
If you're involved for 7 years, you weren't paying attention at all. The ".ethard" looks really great, never get rid of it, cryptobro.
So innocent, those shitcoin scammers, eh?
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you can find crypto enthusiasts over at X.
It’s mostly maxis but as some people said, nostr is an open protocol. It’ll soon be filled with scammers and grifters. Imho Bitcoin solves the monetary problem but there are other problems to be solved as well