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As a gamer, I've always been a desktop guy and usually every 6-8 years build a new behemoth of a machine. My 8 year old desktop is dying at the moment. I replaced a dead CPU a year ago. I replaced dead RAM 3 months ago. And now I'm once again getting RAM errors. I guess it's my motherboard and/or power supply that's the culprit here. I'm considering my options. Either replace the next round of parts and continue to troubleshoot or go a different route altogether. It might be time to buy a powerful laptop and replace my 8 year old desktop and 8 year old former work laptop.

What laptop are you rocking? I'm considering System76.

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utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 6mo ago

ThinkPad, 24 core i9, 64gb ram, Nvidia 3090

It's like 11lbs brick

Derek Ross 6mo ago

Damn. That's one hell of a beast 🤣

ever4st 6mo ago

😮

mar 6mo ago

I've had many computers over the years and none have ever had a cpu die or ram die. Very suspicious.

I'll never buy a laptop ever again. They are underpowered and you can upgrade them. If I go away or travel I'll just bring my cellphone. Laptops are too bulky and can break easily.

I like my desktop I don't see the need to buy a super duper powerful one. For gaming I just buy 10 to 5 year old games. New games are too expensive. I don't want to pay 80 USD for a game.

Derek Ross 6mo ago

I've never had parts go bad either. First time for everything I guess.

mar 6mo ago

You may be on to something about it being the power supply. I used a different cable from a different power supply and it fried 4 hard drives. Supposedly you are not supposed to do that. Be careful.

Nathan Day 6mo ago

Frame.work are great.

I wouldn't go for crazy power on a laptop and would go for a desktop/server that can handle the LLM stuff locally. Frame.work do a desktop for that too.

Derek Ross 6mo ago

I haven't bought a pre built desktop since 1996 👀 I think I want a laptop now so that I can take it with me instead of my garbage old laptop.

I know nostr:nprofile1qqsv0mdxvznteqns2v8g9d98wy4vm63wx8wq54hcmj244sqfalvhepsprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucnfw33k76twwpshy6ewvdhk6qg4waehxw309amk7apwdehhxarj9ecxzun50yqjxamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwwd5xzamw09jkzem9wghxxmmd9ac8y6tkv96x287mctc bought a frame.work laptop almost a year ago.

Shawn 6mo ago

Yes. Quite happy with it. Nothing matches Apple hardware IMO, but the tradeoffs have been worth it.

Derek Ross 6mo ago

What trade-offs?

I have never owned an Apple computer, so my trade-offs are none, but I'm curious on your thoughts.

Right now I'm struggling with using built-in graphics or an Nvidia card. I probably won't do much gaming any longer. I decided my free time is better spent building and am very happy with that decision. I am wondering about local LLMs though. I'll need a nice GPU for that.

Shawn 6mo ago

Versus Apple hardware, it's extremely difficult to match:

1. Size + weight, but this is because Apple gear is all but hermetically sealed.

2. Thermals: nothing I've seen runs as cool under heavy loads as Apple hardware.

3. Acoustics: fan noise is all but non-existent on Apple hardware.

So, by comparison, my Framework AMD Ryzen 7640U runs hot and loud, but only under heavy workloads, like gaming or video editing.

In return, I get complete user serviceability.

By comparison, I have a ThinkPad Carbon X1 Gen 8 (circa 2020) that is lighter, cooler, and quieter than my Framework, but again, it's pretty much welded shut.

If you look at the *new* Frameworks with the Ryzen AI 300 series chip, and you're getting impressive LLM performance with what I understand are better thermals and acoustics.

Jurjen de Vries 6mo ago

Happy with my nostr:nprofile1qqs2ylp6w3vky2szfcpz5jl6t5yruste4549mu2rmd5he8rk3u5683spr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0d4hhxarj9ecxjmnt9uu3eplf laptop too. Using it for a couple of years now.

Turkey 6mo ago

I'm going to replace my set up with a Framework 16 here soon.

Marcelinho 6mo ago

i use dell and hp mobile workstations for work. i have tried a few lenovos ... i think my next one will be a system76 or a framework

Marcelinho 6mo ago

* the hp notebooks have awesome benchmarks and good keyboards but poor hinges and coil whine like power supplies from the 90s

Derek Ross 6mo ago

Yeah, I don't want something that's going to be shit. My Dell Latitude notebook for work is great.

Marcelinho 6mo ago

maybe just buy the same latitude for personal use

Derek Ross 6mo ago

I have thought of this 😁 I may want a better GPU though.

Marcelinho 6mo ago

I would also like an oled display

satoshi jr 6mo ago

You could use a external GPU if you arnet gaming on the go

learntocoal 6mo ago

Love my Framework 13. Have had for over a year now, no issues.

Derek Ross 6mo ago

Thoughts on the build quality?

laoc42 6mo ago

Really well. It's my daily driver for about ten months now and I am very happy with it.

The keyboard is excellent. I even put away my mechanical keyboard, because it just feels so good.

Battery is also good.

I'm using it with AMD.

But I'm no gamer so I don't know how well it handles that.

The 16 version has an option for an external graphics card I think.

Empka 6mo ago

You're not going to get the same bang for your buck with a laptop.

But if all you do is edit text files and send emails, a laptop is fine.

I've been using Thinkpad T/P series with linux for many years. The next one will be a framework, since it feels like the build quality of the ThinkPads has gone downhill a lot in recent years.

Sats champ 6mo ago

Lenovo P1 gen 7, i9 ,64gb ddr5, Nvidia ada 3000. Also comes with newer camm2 memory. Only about 4 pounds

karo 6mo ago

I game on a laptop hooked up to my tv. currently playing Monster Hunter Wilds. It comes with me in long trips.

It's a Lenovo Legion with a Ryzen processor ("not Intel, those are garbage" says husband)

I've been pretty happy with it. let me know if you wanna know more.

Ľḭṿḙśƫṟãɖãṁṹṧ💫#RunCoreV30 6mo ago

Old Thinkpad T480, the last great laptop ever created.

Neigsndoig IQ 120 6mo ago

Alright, I know a thing or two about this, but not that.

I'd recommend just building a new machine and NOT PUTTING THE MALWARE CALLED WINDOWS ON IT.

Instead, use PikaOS, Nobara Project or CachyOS, which are great desktop Linux distros for gaming. I use CachyOS as my daily driver, and apart from some minor nitpicks, I've really had no problem with Cachy.

Derek Ross 6mo ago

I'm currently running Ubuntu now. I'm an on again/off again Linux user, always returning for gaming, but I don't really game anymore. I'll probably stick with Ubuntu or Pop.

Bill Cypher 6mo ago

Ubuntu is great. Someone is bound to show up and recommend nixos, but it simply doesn't work for my use case.

I'm curious to try VanillaOS next. Immutable sounds great in theory but I keep bouncing off when things I need just don't work in the ones I tried before.

Neigsndoig IQ 120 6mo ago

Ubuntu with Wayland? That doesn't support NVIDIA.

Those three I recommend support NVIDIA way better than Canonical or RedHat can.

zaytun 6mo ago

Oh man, i've been down the rabbit hole on a related subject the past two weeks.

I'm gonna recommend you filter your choices based on what you can easily run coreboot on, preferably the boards that Skulls supports.

Take 10 minutes youtubing Intel Management Engine and you might agree with my choice of "first filter", if you dont already know about IME.

Lmk if I can help in any way should you jump down this rabbit hole 😁

ObjectiF MooN⚡️₿ 6mo ago

I'm currently using a old thinkpad, which is great for work and light entertainment but not for gaming.

it's strange that you have so many defective parts. i've had a gaming desktop pc for almost 10 years and my family still uses it, yet this pc suffered from the house voltage variations with shutdowns before i bought an UPS. Lucky i've never had to change a single part on it.

For the parts i always go with:

Asus for the motherboard and asus/nvidia graphic card

Intel for the CPU

Crucial MX or Samsung for the SSD, Western digital for HDD

G.Skill or HyperX for the ram

Corsair for the power supply ( try to get the models with Japan components in it )

Maybe there is new or better brands now, but this is what's works for me with minimul fail, during the last 20 years.

Cam Hunt 6mo ago

I can vouch for System76. I've been a customer for over 11 years.

Dr. Cassone 6mo ago

System76 will be my next purchase. Great company, awesome machines, but I'm not a gamer.

Mentat 6mo ago

I’d recommend a powerhouse of a PC, then you can stream gaming onto even a mediocre laptop with incredible performance.

I was a holdout on streaming my gaming until I got a laptop with a higher refresh rate monitor (at least 120hrtz). Oh I get it now, this is what everyone is talking about!