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I appreciate your original thinking, nostr:npub1cxp3l03x20mkzezzr4takm8w8zuva7xwvacmcewp97z58hjt8xls3mexlq, and I once also came up with this interpretation and shared it with another young Christian who seemed to agree, but I have since come to see it differently.

In context, the Saduccees had asked Jesus about whose wife this woman who had been married to seven different brothers would be in the resurrection:

> In the resurrection, then, whose wife will she be of the seven? For they all had married her.” Jesus answered them, “You are mistaken, because you don’t know the Scriptures or the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven.

Matthew 22:28–30 (CSB)

Under your view, I would think Jesus would have said that all of the brothers would be married to her (assuming they all make it to the new world), am I right? Instead, Jesus' answer seems to imply that she wouldn't be married to any of the brothers because there won't be any marriage (perhaps other than that of Christ and His Bride, the Church). And if there is no marriage between the children of the resurrection, I can't imagine there would be fornication or adultery among them either!

Saying that the children of the resurrection will be like the angels of God is interesting and mysterious. I remember in the movie Dogma an angel there was portrayed as having no genitalia. I would think we humans would retain our sex and presumably our organs thereto, but I also note that the Bible always appears to portray angels as looking exclusively like men (and they also don't have wings or look like fat little babies). And they are called the "Sons of God". If there are no female angels there is probably no means or need for angels to reproduce. And they certainly wouldn't be engaged in a big homosexual orgy in heaven!

Anyway, just adding my thoughts to the discussion.

> However, as it is written:

“No eye has seen,

no ear has heard,

no mind has conceived

what God has prepared for those who love Him”

1 Corinthians 2:9 (NIV)

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

revelation 19

"10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”"

the nature of angels has been hidden from the bible that was compiled by the catholic church... they even burned all copies of the book of enoch they could get their hands on because the book of enoch extensively describes the interbreeding of the fallen angels and "mortal" humans - and you can also see in the qur'an that there seems to be a story surrounding jesus that seems like an artificial insemination specifically by one angel known as gabriel

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Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

Well, the Book of Enoch wasn't even written by the real Enoch, otherwise it would be the oldest book in the Bible even older than the Book of Job or Genesis. So that makes it dubious even before you consider anything else that it has to say. And as for the Qur'an, well, it's the Qur'an, so...

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

when mohammed was around, there was plenty of other books still circulating that the catholics hadn't eradicated yet, there wasn't even an eastern branch of the church at that time

the text was found in dozens of copies in the dead sea scrolls and first reappeared in the 19th century as the ethiopian orthodox church retained it and it was part of their canon

the "trustworthy" modern scholars try to assert that by the dating of the physical scrolls that the book of enoch could not be older than around 2500 years, which was around the same time as daniel and the height of the babylonian empire but it extensively refers to and tells other versions of stuff that you find all through the first 5 books, it has the crossing of the red sea, the back story relating to noah and the great flood, and a big part of the text is specifically addressed to teaching his son methuselah

just read it before you start expressing other people's opinions about it, it's a really interesting read

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

I should give it a read, if only because it is quoted in the New Testament. That might mean that there was once a genuine Book of Enoch by the real Enoch, although I'm skeptical. I think that the New Testament authors may have been quoting from a pseudepigraphal book.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i think that it has been a deliberate erasure of history that people "never had writing" before the days of the babylonian empire - yes that is literally the canon of the modern science/archaeology/etc isn't it?

and yet we are supposed to believe that the first kind of writing involved the use of base 60 numbers... right... when almost all primitive counting systems are based on 10 or 12, because of the number of fingers on our hands... and that before that it was all ideographs like the egyptian

and yet according to all the texts that refer to this time the concept of books and words seems to be extensively referred to as though these were relatively well understood concepts

the empires of satan's offspring have been hiding this from us plebs for thousands of years, they deliberately burn the books on a regular basis to stop us advancing enough to learn what they are doing to us

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

also "pseudoepigraphical" is a pretty absurd concept

according to the narrative at the age of 12 jesus was taken into studying by scholars and priests and very likely had read ALL of the important books that were available at the time, and he extensively repeats proverbs and expressions from book of enoch... one of the most famous ones "the meek shall inherit the earth" is from enoch originally, and it's proven, according to the "scholars" to have been written at least 500 years before the time of jesus

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

How do you know that Jesus wasn't quoting Psalm 37:11, written by David some 1,000 years before His time?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

how do you know David wasn't quoting Enoch?

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

Since I haven't yet read Enoch, according to Google: "The oldest part of the Book of Enoch is the Apocalypse of Weeks, which is thought to have been written around 167 BC, shortly before the Maccabean uprising. The Book of the Watchers, which contains fragments found in the Qumran caves, is thought to date back to 200–150 BC."

So that's at least several centuries after David.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yes, and we are certain about david's text age too, right? because it has corroborating old documents, i'm guessing, and being the king, of course his story got protected, while the opponents didn't

this is how the message gets mangled and this is why it is absolute BULLSHIT that anyone tells you that the bible is authoritative because it's been a propaganda product of the catholic church for over 1600 years

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

I guess there comes a point where I just have to trust that "God’s divine power has given us everything we need for life and for godliness" (2 Peter 1:3). Even in regards to which books made it into the accepted canon of Scripture, as well as those left out.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

can't think where they appear off the top of my head but i'm pretty sure there is words about how things will be revealed when the time is right... this could be pointed to in the form of the entire apocrypha and pseudoepigraphy - which was lost but really was just hidden from the devil until the time was ready to launch the great reckoning

they have come to light because it is time, they are a sign that it is time, the time is very very close

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

Maranatha

So you reject God's word? Just because Enoch is Apocrypha does not mean that there is not some truth in it since it was used in the New Testament.

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

I personally take statement quoted by Jude from Enoch as true, but I don't think that necessarily means he automatically endorsed everything that was written in that book.

> Jude 14–15 (CSB): “Look! The Lord comes with tens of thousands of his holy ones to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly concerning all the ungodly acts that they have done in an ungodly way, and concerning all the harsh things ungodly sinners have said against him.”

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

God's word is personal and private, the bible is one public compilation of a myriad of documents about wisdom and prescience that has been given to us, one with a provably distorted selection criteria and not just excluded but outright purged elements that survived in far flung reaches beyond the control of the roman catholic agents

i think that there is among the writings of many others from many other places that constitute divinely inspired, and you can compare them to each other to find the connections, like vishnu purana, like corpus hermeticum, like the tao te ching and the writings of chuang tzu, like plato, socrates, there is many who have been inspired to write words that are markers pointing towards God the entire doctrine of The Bible being The Word of God is a catholic/christian doctrine of the churches, not something that is actually even written in them very many times either, at least not unambiguously, since they are compilations how could they possibly be unambiguously self referential!

How can you know God if you reject his word? No idolatry

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

you know what the latin word for writing is, right? scripto... to scratch or engrave

there is no substitute for direct connection with the divine, anything concrete is intermediate and thus capable of becoming an idol and a fetish that separates you from your divine nature

the catholics allow statues, the orthodox allow icons, the muslims allow The Book and the black cube at the end of the Hajj, the jews have their candelabra and their torah

bruce lee sums up the meaning of "thou shalt have no god before me" and "don't worship graven images" in his monologue about the finger pointing to the moon

if that means you think i am a heretic, that is sad for you

it means i think of you and most religious people as idolators too, it is in the animal nature of humans to worship and follow leaders and codes and identify with collectives, all i can do is just point that out, and i only am going to do it once

You are right. Catholic church was infiltrated by Jews and Jesuits in the early days and fell to identity politics now. There is not Good Church now. They all do non-biblical things. I go by the Bible only.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

many good christians are this way nowadays with how utterly brazenly obedient the orthodoxy has been to the plainly evil corruption of pharma, media, intelligence and government

my mother stopped going to church 25 years ago because of it, and she developed a phobia towards reading religious texts and the bible as well as a result, she mostly concerns herself with her daily life and meditating upon it

whatever method you use to find your own connection is a good thing that's why i don't mean it as a slur when i point out that one collection of writings and other writings that were not included does not intrinsically make them incompatible with the Word of God

i personally couldn't read Daniel after i got to the part where it was clear daniel arranged nebuchanezzar's assassination however, that really disturbed me, as did the mention of the watchers

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

Nebuchadnezzar's assassination? Where is that from, the Book of Enoch? I've never heard of that.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

lol, it's before, i dunno... man, really, you need to read the first part up until the death of nebuchanezzar again, obviously

oof with my mind alert to the toxicity of the vegan cult of today it raised my hackles in so many places that when i got to the death of nebuchanezzar i was done, it was like watching leviathan kill behemoth, an orgy of evil

Marakesh 𓅦 1y ago

What are you smoking, my friend? 😄

j/k!

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

lol, haven't smoked anything since like july last year, would be nice for my cramp condition...

seriously though, you gotta try reading it in the context of understanding the machinations of politics

i hated nebuchanezzar, and i actually hated daniel even more because he was even more conniving and tricky, not just plain narcissistic and inhuman

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

btw, i managed to chase away that problem and ironically the UHT milk that helped me mostly make it go away, was keeping it happening

literally 3 days now no UHT milk and no cramps either now

and i should add, about 5 months since seed oils, and i've resumed some carbs now but very little, a little bread... anyway, point is it seems very clear that the UHT milk and the seed oils and excess carbs were the multiplicity of factors causing the cramps

and i'd been smoking weed for years to keep that away

years.

I literally can't find anything online about that lol

Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

I believe you mean Belshazzar, not Nebuchadnezzar?

In chapter 5, Daniel revealed that Belshazzar would be murdered when he (with God's help) translated the handwriting on the wall...

There is zero evidence in the text that Daniel was complicit in the murder.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

you know of the concept of "subtext" right? also of the idea of "getting the reader to have sympathy with the character"? neither happened for me, i was sus on him from the get go and especially because watchers told him things, like he was being handed the keys to the kingdom by those who decide

for me "watchers" is a red flag word because it almost never appears in the bible meaning good angels, almost always fallen ones

Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

Probably due to my very high view of Scripture, I perceive Daniel to be an honorable man. Consider, for instance, how he refused to compromise his principles to the point of being thrown into a den of hungry lions...😳

That takes considerable moral backbone, something I seriously doubt a murderer posesses.🤔

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i will have to try and read it again... if i muddled those identities that may change my view of it

Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

Thanks for articulating your perspective. Mine is considerably more aligned with the traditional canon, though somewhat informed by other sources, but I respect yours.🙏🏻😄👍

Christianity falls because of non-canon views and faggotty and jesuit infiltration

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

faggotry is definitely a further step down from mere idolatry