OK then. Turns out even the creator of nostr wants to centralize and censor. Guess we are fucked gang.
I'm not gonna bother fighting this anymore. The die is cast. Nostr is going to be a safe and censored centralized place very soon.
The lords of nostr seem to have agreed on it at this point.
Sad. I thought this had a shot.
We will set up our own relays
Kill our heroes
Filtering at the edge device (client)iss the way. Leave the data feed alone. It's not our data to touch. Sys admins and service providers have a nasty habit of thinking they own what's on their server.
Host your own relay and control it yourself. That isn't even hard.
Not for us. It is hard for most. Just put it in the client. Its harder but the right thing to do.
Then stop complaining and start do a research or LEARN how things ACTUALLY worked.
Once you know the [ACTUALLY] part, You will know why this and that was somewhat impossible to achieve, the risks, and et cetera.
> Just put it in the client
Some client already has local relay. But if you mean something like talking to other client's relay like direct peer to peer, You may like to take a look at Scuttlebutt. But i should warn you that it's going to be painful to use for the first timer, But it's exactly the thing that you are looking for:
1. Shits is being stored right in client
2. Talks peer to peer
3. Full absolute control
With the trade off:
1. Hard for newcomers due to how it technically works.
bro. stop assuming ignorance. I am talking about how I wish it worked. no one is attacking you personally so bring the tone down a little. I dont want internet beef over nothing. just be polite.
Scuttlebut may or may not be what i am looking for will look. As for your objections, sounds like the client is still immature so shoulnt hold that agaist it and as for the convenience for newcomers bit . . . freaking can't stand appeals to convenience . . . just do it right and grind it into shape. Centralization is and always has been a shortcut.
This is not the first time I have watched this go down fren. Community groups, an NGO, hell I even led the Oracle DB side of a PeopleSoft migration ended up causing the same issues within the organisations as the central system rearranged the whole work culture.
We dont have to argue. You can just watch it go down. Like I said though. Doesnt really matter. The web that nostr is designed for is about to get wiped out over next 5 ish yrs. The interface defines the experience and that interface will behind a personal llm. This is the trend. This is where the big dollars are going. It's really an atack vector on Google as far as rest of big tech is concerned. If you care about freedom though, it is a thin sliver of light when your enemies are fighting each other.
Now for the personal question. All who have engaged in defence of filtering relays have been rude to me personally for no reason. Why? I am being as polite as i can be. Why the snark and sarcasm? Why all of you?
thats the contemporary default yo...
vulnerability borne of ACTUAL confidence is dead.
#evolution
nostr:npub1x3azxuysp5vmfer4vgs4jn5tmfcx4ew8sh0qnev7gczljxsr7jwqa3g4el
apologized for harsh words and has been a model conversationalist since. credit where due. most arent that mature.
You can run your own relay with your own rules. You could run a relay only for gardening, and block all Bitcoin posts. You could run a local relay that only takes notes from approved posters that you know personally. The freedom of Nostr allows you to have whatever you want on your own relay. This combined with the outbox model being widely implemented will make sure your notes get to people who want them.
I think the key is making running your own relay easier, that way it doesn't matter what other relay operators do.
Exactly.
You didn't respond to me jaff. Bad form. Also. This is what I said I simply added that the relay should be at client so full easy control. You are kinda disappointing me with this behavior dude.
I expected better.
> Nostr is going to be safe and censored centralized place very soon
It's a open protocol. And it will never be a centralized place due to how it is being designed.
By your own words, You do not even seems able to use decentralized protocol properly either.
Don't assume. I wrote one of the first papers on federated identity with sun micro and the Canadian space sciences data project back in 98. I am imminently qualified for this discussion. I sold my first piece of code in 83. When I was just a kid. So don't assume my disagreement is from ignorance.
We centralized in early days because edge devices were weak and software platforms too fragmented to maintain standards. None of us wanted to.
Now the edge can handle the load. There is no excuse anymore for centralizing control of user data unless you want access to it.
> Don't assume. I wrote one of the first papers on federated identity with sun micro and the Canadian space sciences data project back in 98. I am imminently qualified for this discussion. I sold my first piece of code in 83. When I was just a kid. So don't assume my disagreement is from ignorance.
I don't care.
> We centralized in early days because edge devices were weak and software platforms too fragmented to maintain standards. None of us wanted to.
Literally everything is centralized at first.
> Now the edge can handle the load. There is no excuse anymore for centralizing control of user data unless you want access to it.
You sure you've learned how #nostr works?
Every events or notes is basically an portable blob of json data called "event".
ok. so you are a bit of an ill mannered person so far but will continue in good faith. stop explaining what the docs say. I have read them. thats why I thought nostr had a chance. Thats why i see the danger. If you dont see it then ok. carry on. I have almost given up on the tiny hope now anyway. Seems devs are hell bent on ruining the promise for convenience sake. As for everything centralized at first, thats for cnvenience of the devs and service provider. You are making an appeal to tradition btw so on the face of it your argument is invalid.
be well.
maybe you can help new fren. rilly wanna find this den of harassers
Did I miss something?
Yah. nostr creator says he wants to filter at relays and that centralization of data around relays is how nostr is designed to work. Basically, fuck your decentralisation and non censorship. They envision a walled garden that they can monetize is my guess. Sad but others will rise.
It is a little amusing that devs on here assume no one else knows any tech. They get rude and snotty and snark instead of answering questions. I really hoped for better but many of the devs are freedom larps. just sad.
Unsurprising. To be honest, that's why I wasn't all too very optimistic when i first showed up here a few months ago. I saw some bloke who goes by the username Karnage go off on some young lad named Michael J. Didn't even answer the kid's question 🤣. Just left the discussion in fumes. 🤷♂️
hahaha I remember bro. We are all still having fun though so let it roll. The underlying tech is decent. Hopefully it will evolve well once the client side starts taking some of the power from relays. May even get federated one day who knows. There are a lot of young devs on the case though so they are smart but dont know the history of how projects and communities get captured and redirected. Not their fault but may be the downfall.
