My relays don't keep logs but if I wanted to I could live watch everyone's IP from the terminal.
Of course I don't care to do this, but if you care about your privacy, you should use a VPN before connecting to mine or any other relay.
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You can still watch the filters and figure out who is who and what they are doing :)
That's where you're wrong, I'm too stupid to do that 🤣😂
You learn as you go
But if the relay host has the luxury of time, and 'Big Brother complex" then snooping becomes a regular thing
Yup, you can see the traffic, like Big Brother
Can someone explain what this all means like I'm in 5th grade?
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What does this even mean…? This is part of the reason why many users may not consider nostr or other such technologies. It’s too technical and they don’t have a need for it. Many don’t value this aspect of nostr and bitcoin.
Folks will begin to value nostr and bitcoin and other similar technologies that better position the individual to be more self sovereign when they have a need to…however that need may present itself.
The need for or use of a vpn is not unique to nostr. Has nothing to do with the relays; it’s only a layer of possible protection if you want to have some privacy from tech companies and/or government.
The above is a basic truism of all internet services. If you connect to a server/relay/provider of any sort, then they can attach your IP address to your account on the network. Which can then be used to find your address, real name, jurisdiction, etc.
This is true for the network you connect to with Nostr as well. It’s designed to be open and decentralized, but basic privacy issues haven’t changed.
A VPN is a service that you connect to that hides your IP address behind a facade. They only see the VPN service address, not yours. So you protect yourself from exposing your potential location and ID from being relatively easy to discover while you casually browse the internet.
But understand this isn’t a problem unique to #nostr, you don’t have to know or care about this at all to use #nostr. It’s simply that the community and bitcoiners who built Nostr care about privacy and security in a way that most people don’t. So they make suggestions for some basic practices that most people don’t think about.
That said, there is certainly an element that if we really care about these issues, we need to find ways to implement them by default, so the typical user can benefit from them, without having to understand how it works.
fyi - SOCKS5 proxy/tor is fine enough 1st step -> if anyone concerned abt relay harvesting cleaner user IPs
But you can't use browser extensions like nos2x on Tor
very honest advice and was same from nostr.build admin before.
I default assume that some three letter agency is already doing this.
They do, they even used the same 3 letters in a different order for their storage system “Storage Area Network” or SAN
maybe - some also free relays also as honeypots - admins only need respond if any law enforcement show in any country if clear evidence or local law misuse if presented emitting from relays
not bc some elephant or donkey wanted 2 sniff
> if you care about your privacy, you should use a VPN
From what I've read, VPN technologies are mostly used by fiat companies to connect branch offices and remote workers to a central office. How would using this fiat tech *solve* my privacy concerns when connecting to a nostr relay?
There are other VPNs like Orbot, Psiphon pro, Proton VPN, Firefox VPN, Lantern etc.
What about using Orbot with #Nostr clients that offer an inbuilt mechanism of doing that like #Amethyst? Does any other client offer support, nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8? Or just any good device-wise vpn does the job?
Thanks for drawing attention to the issue. Thanks to nostr:npub1h8nk2346qezka5cpm8jjh3yl5j88pf4ly2ptu7s6uu55wcfqy0wq36rpev also for sharing Utxo's post. 🫂
#InfoSec
#OpSec
#DigitalSecurity
#VPN
#ipaddress
That's not good...
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Maybe someone could invent a client which spins up its own lightweight relay only to exchange information via tor proxy
What's the thinking around running Nostr over Tor?
thanks for caring... but not that much 😉
VPN is a great tool for privacy, and mandatory for everything we do online. There are hardware and software options, with many companies offering free service.
Very few people care about privacy until that privacy is violated. Creating layers of proper privacy and security, when online, will spread an attack surface out. Potential attacks or stalkers will have to spend a tremendous amount of resources targeting someone. Advertisers will accumulate worthless information.
With a fairly new service, like nostr, VPN is a great idea.
#grownostr #privacy #cybersecurity #vpn