Wouldn’t a social graph solve these issues?
You see content from people you follow and the people they follow.
If you don’t like something, click to see which connection it’s coming from and unfollow.
Global doesn’t even need to exist in a sense that anyone can see everything there is to see. Make people follow a few people in on onboarding - I believe that is what Twitter did. Probably to solve the same problem?
BYOA - Build Your Own Algo
I was thinking the same...what you see in your feed is your choice. You can control it. You are your own algo.
Having said that I think what @nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 maybe referring in context of bluesky is broader moderation of bad/illegal posts. On Nostr relays can apply their own rules for filtering - but again that is very different model from bluesky - Nostr is much more decentralized.
I mean I agree that’s part of it. That’s why we designed #[3] to rely so much on the social graph.
I think there is a space for content warnings and reports and then a vetting and response to those reports. Be that a relay operator or group of users. Then I could choose to use a moderation list but that’s my choice. Relays could choose what they’ll host.
The assumption amongst many bluesky users is that the company making the protocol will be able to provide a trust and safety regime similar to a centralized platform.
Will nos social solely be using this 'social graph' method? Or will it also do a bit of moderation?
Maybe it seems to me like Nostr sort of needs a transparency of clients's (and relays?) political views lol. Where does my client stand on topic x. I don't want them to censor me.
Or is this off? I'm very likely wrong cos I don't know anything
It's not really about Bluesky users seeing accounts they don't like when joining. It's more that one person finds someone they don't like and then essentially brigade with demands to have them banned. And it has happened already with admin/mods giving in.
I sympathize and understand where they’re coming from but it’s kind of like how the generals always fight the last war type of thing.
Even if you do think banning people is the right solution, it isn’t going to work for these new emerging protocols.
Why do you sympathize with this sick mentality?!?
I mean I’m no so keen on people commenting on my posts saying shit like “die faggot”. So I get why they wish they could just ban some people. But that’s neither an effective nor practical solution.
Just like you can choose which relays to use and who to follow, you should be able to choose who you want in your community. But that doesn’t mean those people can’t also use the same protocols and exclude you. Being able to have doors, fences, and some reasonable privacy is a good thing.
People should get a spine and don’t treat words as them being violence. You should have the possibility to block whomever you want though; if that is what you’re saying I agree.
Yes but I also don’t want to have to do all the blocking myself so I’d like to be able to pay someone who does that work for me. Obviously I’d choose someone who would make decisions I’d agree with. You might not want to delegate that at all or would choose totally different values. That’s fine.
I don’t think blocking is enough. You can be mentally tough and ignore it - especially if it doesn’t actually insult you in any meaningful way, but people who get this type of abuse all the time shouldn’t even have to see it. It only takes a second to ruin the day or build up over time to do psychological harm.
Being tough one time is not enough.
Plus, you might be able to manage it as an adult and brush it off like nothing happened, but there are people less mature and more sensitive for various reasons - maybe they were abused in the past.
Point being, people shouldn’t have to deal with hate speech when we can develop tools to limit it without cutting the individual off completely from having access to the digital public town square, not matter how vile they are.
Hate speech is just speech you disagree with
Murderers are just humans who murder.
If you’ve got a real point I’m listening.
I think 'hate speech' has a lot of room for interpretation, compared to 'murder', no?
Not in traditional sense, no.
Not sure I follow, what is the traditional meaning here? And are you distinguishing this from. More modern interpretation of 'hste speech'?
Look up the definition. That’s the sense I’m referring to.
Your personal interpretation is just that.
This? https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/what-is-hate-speech
There's also a lot of scope here for interpretation within this p nebulous description, I think by the sounds of it you'd disagree(?).
Not sure what I’m looking at there. Honestly I’m bored of this topic and would rather move on. Id say dm me if you want to discuss further but I don’t even want to talk in dms 😂
This kind of topic is best discussed in person. I’m on mobile and get tie d of having to fix typos on a topic I don’t even care to discuss in the first place.
I understand lol. I was just making a small point. I think I'm sort of on the same page of not wanting a discussion. It's been done to death lol.
But I would say yes, there is room for intereptation.
You (seem) to be saying no.
We'll leave it as that lol. 🫨
That’s not really what I’m saying. I could write a page on this to explain but I really don’t want to 😂
I think I'm totally lost then lol. I thought you literally just a couple replies ago said that lol.
Nevermind lolol let's agree to not understand each other lololol
I can see why you’d think that. I’m just too lazy to do a proper reply. 😞 now leave me alone 😤 😂
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I was going to read the conversation but now I got all this free time cause you guys didn’t feel like talking!!!!
Don’t waste your time. It’ll be bickering back and forth over definitions, misunderstanding and half-thoughts. Some topics are best left to in-person discussion.
Damn i love you people
Whatya mean by you people, Dan??
Lol
Good morning 🌞
Plebs I bet
You are all my people, i love you all pushing keys or glass screens. Shoes on our feet and heads full of brain.
What kind of shoes?
Gee I wonder how that got your attention. I fancy tevas and shoes with a rocking keel. I could never walk a day in your shoes, i hope you could travel for days in mine ;)
I concur with you. There are many other ways to get rid of it.
I think people should make friends and have communities in real life.
If you’re getting your social interactions from the internet, you’re going to have a bad time. No matter how many convoluted and well-intentioned things “we” implement to prevent that.
Let the internet be what it’s best at: a cold arena of dangerous ideas. Save your emotional life for people you can touch.
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Spinelessness east is the real disease
Good fences makes good neighbors. So I have heard
Perhaps admins should not be human
