Why is it considered acceptable for Israel to attack Iran, a sovereign nation, as a preemptive measure to protect itself from a perceived threat, yet it is not acceptable for Russia to do the same by attacking Ukraine?
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Is this genuine question?
The question is genuine yet insinuates that, in my opinion, both actions are structurally equal.
Because Iran has spent the last 40 years calling for the annihilation of Israel, attacking them through proxy terrorist groups, and taking steps to develop nuclear weapons. Ukraine has done none of that to Russia.
They’re mostly calling for the annihilation of what they call the “Zionist regime,” and they see Israel as an illegitimate state. This isn't surprising, considering how Israel came into being.
Fun fact: China considers Taiwan an illegitimate state, too, but no one has ever challenged that view. Why? Nukes, maybe?
"The West," of course, has never initiated proxy wars or destabilized countries through covert operations or "NGOs," lol.
No one has ever challenged China's view that Taiwan is an illegitimate state? I guess you're not up to speed on the US's historical commitment to defend Taiwan's sovereignty.
Regarding proxy wars by western nations -- whataboutism is no answer to an argument.
Oh boy, did no one ever tell you that politicians are full of it? The idea that they're defending Taiwan's sovereignty is a fairy tale. Almost no country recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign state.
Below is a list of countries that officially recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and maintain diplomatic relations with it:
- Vatican City (since 1942)
- Haiti (1956)
- Paraguay (1957)
- Guatemala (1960)
- Eswatini (formerly Swaziland, since 1968)
- Tuvalu (1979)
- St. Vincent and the Grenadines (1981)
- St. Kitts and Nevis (1983)
- Belize (1989)
- Marshall Islands (1998)
- Palau (1999)
- St. Lucia (1984–1997; again since 2007)
Please indicate where to find the US because I can't see it. LOL.
By the way, what you call "whataboutism" is actually called putting things into perspective, and your inability to recognize the difference speaks volumes.
Wake up. Don’t let them further brainwash you.
I disagree with your criticism of whataboutism as it really is irrelevant. I mean, what about when the Persians slaughtered the inhabitants of Miletus? Is it relevant?
But, I agree with your point about the US abandoning support of Taiwanese sovereignty, which they did in 1979 (though President Biden reaffirmed it) for political reasons. Bottom line is that Taiwan is entitled to self-determination and survival just as Israel is. I don't deny Israel has done some shitty things, but that doesn't justify the destruction of the nation of Israel.
...and destruction of the state of Israel is in Iran's constitution
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damn people are brain-dead.. If your neighbor yelling at you 24/7 that he will kill you and your family when he has the chance, would you just sit aside a wait for it to happen?
Not everything is a fucking conspiracy, there are really shit people out there that just want to steal and murder, and they are mostly Islamists.
You're also ignoring the prison the people living there under sharia law, if you were a woman there you would speak differently.
What an idiotic comparison! You didn't even understand the original question. But let's continue.
Okay, so your neighbor verbally threatens you, so you break his legs to make sure he doesn't follow through.
What happens next? You go to jail.
Why? Because this kind of behavior is not considered acceptable.
That was the original point of my question, which you didn't understand.
Check out some of Simon Dixon’s podcasts (Bitcoin OG) he explains both situations quite succinctly.
tldr: his theory is that iran is in on it, its all theatre (although real death is occurring) in order to normalise the world away from US hegemony to a multipolar world. The theatre of war manufactures public consent to send billions from sovereign countries to private corporations.
This lens helps gain altitude.
Possible but unlikely imo
You also don't understand that this neighbor is connected to other neighbors who think like him, and because he has more resources, he can send them to do the dirty work.
And you have 2 options, start messing with his proxies, or just take off the snake's head.
You are trying to justify a neighbor's aggression against you here, morality is not on your side.
Every living being has the right to self-defense, and it doesn't matter what the fools out there think about it.
First, Israel chose that neighborhood. Whether they bought or stole their house is a much-discussed topic.
Throughout history, every perpetrator has claimed that their actions were justified, usually by portraying them as self-defense. Every perpetrator portrays themselves as the victim.
If everyone exercises a victim mentality, the world will become a battleground, which is increasingly the case. Viewing the world in terms of perpetrator, victim, and hero is not just stupid and factually false; it is the very cause of conflict.
Everyone thinks they’re in the right.
Wise up, boy.
As long as there are people willing to steal and murder, the world will continue to be a battleground.
When a nation of fools threatens you because your only crime is to exist, you have every damn right to slam them as much as you can.
Your points are true, but not to every case, especially this.
Fair enough. So Russia was right to attack Ukraine too then.
I don't think I remember Ukraine to threaten Russia, in that case it's not right.
I also don't know all the details there to scream everywhere if it's right or not.
Yet people around the world think they know what's happening without any clue, same as 'free Palestine' people, zero knowledge.
Ukraine is a proxy. The U.S. is the enemy. NATO expansion was the threat. It always has been. Not everyone wants to become part of an empire.
I’m not taking sides. Iran and Israel can burn together. I just pity the people affected by this nonsense.