I've wish Nostr had different metrics, something new for a new protocol. Followers is something borrowed from legacy social media. It makes it like a game to build that number higher.

How about stats that focus on interaction and building community?

Other npubs conversed with per week/month, or comment reprocity % - am I active in the community, actually conversing with people, or just posting notes and not interacting?

Number of mutual follows - am I just collecting follows? Or am I engaging with people and building connections?

Post vs comment ratio - am I just posting notes, or am I also getting involved with other people?

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Good points.

This!

What about cozy level

Start paying attention to metrics that matter.

Hmm. I like it.

How do you calculate cozy level?

Check what the arcane scrolls in the vaults of minas tirith say how else

I tried but some dude kept telling me I couldn't pass.

Zap count lol, it's all borrowed to a certain degree, but total zaps would be interesting.

Zaps are amazing for easily transferring value, but I'm not sure what they are a good signal for.

People looking to achieve high follower counts with little effort can do zap4follow scams, basically buying followers, and giving them a large amount zapped. Anyone can make multiple npubs and round robin zaps to up their numbers. It's easy to game the system.

What could one learn from this information? How could this stat be used to indicate community involvement?

I mean one could argue that zaps are the entirety of the community involvement, I don't like to argue though. I guess just thought it would be cool! What's the point fo follows, replies, and everything else that makes this a social platform(protocol) it's all borrowed and inspired from something. Maybe Node runners could get special banners to show their dedication to the community 😎

I didn't want to argue either, just wondering your viewpoint about how amount of zaps could inspire community involvement, how they could be a new signal for that. My inspiration for this note is to gamify people finding into finding & building community & connections, rather than building a big follower count 👍

I think it is already well used, with bots dedicated to showing big zaps, sites that show zap totals & amounts like nostr.build & zaplife.lol and zaps being shown on notes and comments. If you have new ideas it would be great to share them though!

How about zap to like ratio

I'm not sure what that ratio would show me. What do you think this reaction would indicate, and how would it be useful?

I don't subscribe to the onlyzaps meme. I use a client that has reactions, and I find them a useful communication sub-channel. They let me gauge reaction to a note or comment. On most social media a large percentage of people don't post much, be it notes or comments, and reactions are a frictionless way for them to express sentiment. I also didn't think every comment I make is worth money, but would like to know what people think.

Why like when you could 1 sat zap? Likes just remind me too much of Facebook and twitter. Beta fiat coded. If you’re here now you should be embracing V4V. We are the ones who must manifest a new world

Like I said, my client doesn't have likes, it has reactions, which can infinitely personalized, and used to transmit information. I don't think every human interaction needs to be monitized by zaps. I don't flip a nickel at my IRL friends for every comment.

Yea it’s an aesthetic preference I suppose. Exchanging a token of scarcity as a positive response to an online interaction makes it feel more real, more meaningful. No need for that IRL but in cyberspace seems like a useful anchor

In the real world sometimes I respond to a comment with a nod, a wry smile, or a frown. Reactions are an online replacement for that. It's why emoticons were invented at the dawn of text based communication, and adopted for use in the digital age.

Also, a lot of people on social media are lurkers, some estimate as high as 90%. Reactions provide a frictionless way for them to interact & respond if they don't want to comment, or send me money for a comment or post.

I'm not against zaps, and as someone who often creates his own content to post on Nostr I find them valuable. But I also realize money isn't the only thing that matters. Knowing that I made someone laugh, or feel emotion, or that they disagree with me is valuable too.

I think onlyzaps is short-sighted, and overlooks the value in a sub channel of communication that has existed on the Internet since it's very beginning.

The monetization some times just makes me feel weird. I’m mostly interested in just shooting the shit and sharing interests.

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Every aspect of human communication doesn't need to be monitized.

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This is an excellent idea!

If legacy social media gamified the worst parts of human nature to maximize screen time and seek ads, why can't Nostr do the same with the best parts and encourage community, communication, and connection?

Is SourceCred available for Nostr??

valuerank=sum(zaps)*#harts*#comments*#follows*#reshares

all with adjustable weights by individual nostr users to their liking

Nice, very nice

Hi ryan 🤟😉🏴‍☠️ Absolutely. Followers are a shallow metric that doesn’t reflect true engagement or community-building. The metrics you’re suggesting would bring real value, focusing on quality over quantity. It’s not about collecting followers, it’s about creating meaningful interactions and fostering connections. Community isn’t built on passive consumption it’s built on dialogue and mutual engagement. The post-to-comment ratio is a perfect example it’s not just about broadcasting, it’s about participating. These new metrics could redefine what success looks like on Nostr, and move away from the vanity of legacy social media. Let’s prioritize depth over numbers.

Definitely valid points. I've complained many times about the people who just post and bail , even when there are thoughtful responses...

That said, it would all be based on the type of npub. Like, I follow some npubs that are like apps, podcasts, or other content like news etc. In those cases, I wouldn't want to discriminate against ratios because I don't expect interaction back.

I guess it becomes a UX problem at that point, and would depend how the client categorises different types of npubs/shows the appropriate metrics so people can determine quality follows based on the content type.

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Ooh I like mutual follows

I wanna see the grifter ratios: zaps in vs out (both frequency and quantity)

Amounts & number of zaps are available on nostr.build, primal & Nostrudel already. But is that a good metric?

Are people who create content supposed to zap it all back, or do they deserve the zaps they get?

Do zap4follow scammers benefit the community, as would be indicated by a high amount of zaps out?

Are people who zap anonymously scammers?

Plus it's trivial easy to make multiple npubs and zap back and forth to game the numbers.

Going by this measure alone I might be considered a grifter, with 1.5M sats received and 400k sent. I have also been here for 2 years, making original content, helping other users, and funding projects like nostr.build that aren't reflected in these stats.

Yeah definitely none of these measures should be used in isolation

It’s helpful in context with other metrics.

Yes creators deserve to keep their share.

Zaps actually solve a problem. Because on Nostr and other twitter-like social media platforms, likes and following are not of much value since very easy to fake.

Accounts of recognized people following you are valuable. But those are scarse and most, even very relevant users, will never be followed my an account of real Musk or Trump - or whoever else's of less then 100 who average reader would recognize.

Long and Thouhtful replies are kind of representative of how relative one is, but those are still free of charge and most of replies are short, dumb and meaningless - easy enough to fake with bots.

The cool part about nostr's zaps, is that it is a monetary representation of how grateful people are for your post. Which means, in practice, that, unlike faking your follower count or amount of likes, zaps are actually representive of how useful you are to the readers. because it costs.

Creating multiple empty accounts to like a post is quick and easy. Add linking your lightning wallet to all those - much harder. More time consuming and is not free (of charge) because using lightning and bitcoin in general costs fees. Can't zap back and forth forever.

zap4follow would be "pay4follow" on instagram twitter or mastodon.

Which would be hidden from the public. But because zapping is so convinient on Nostr, it is common to zap4follow - which, at least, is revealed to the public.