But EVs do actually suffer from a shitload of issues & they do cost more. I personally don't want to pay extra to add hours to a road trip for charging. I'm not particularly crazy about the risk of a battery fire. And the insecure software & lack of control in failure modes are both horrible.

Internal combustion will continue to make more sense for a long time. Eventually series hybrids will probably take the win. Full electrics are still mostly just a govt program that won't work without multiple layers of subsidies. And they are actually far worse for the environment.

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I'm not sure why you think electrics are unsafe. The Teslas have repeatedly been the safest car ever tested multiple times. Here's just one example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/?sh=a576dd94ff31

As for self driving cars, I wouldn't trust them either. That's based on feedback from people who personally own them. But that is about immature software, not about electric versus petrol. I'd have equal distrust for self driving gasoline cars as they all seem to be even further behind.

EVs already make more sense now and that's only going to grow. The EV sales speak for themselves.

Electrics are cleaner than gasoline cars even if using 100% coal power!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikescott/2020/03/30/yes-electric-cars-are-cleaner-even-when-the-power-comes-from-coal/?sh=b2efb832320b

Most of the energy in petrol vehicles goes into making heat, not getting you where you want to go. That's why they have to consume so much extra energy in comparison to EVs.

So, I guess we can just agree to disagree. I don't think there's any test result or article I could show you to change your mind. And you haven't provided any evidence, so you're not going to change my mind. Cheers, mate.

one of the first tittilating demonstrations i saw in highschool chemistry was watching elemental sodium react with water.

lithium is even more reactive.

i personally am all for hybrids, because they let you get more torque without having to tweak the engine for it and lose cruise efficiency, but lugging a giant battery around is going to lead to more and more frequent incidents of unstoppable chemical reactions because lithium metal will oxidise with everything, nitrogen, CO2, and release enough heat to make sure that there keeps on being more reactive species it can oxidise on.

hybrids could even skip the dangerous lithium battery and use a more bulky but far safer carbon based supercapacitor.

those who are against electric cars are mainly taking issue with the clear danger of both lithium and even hydrogen itself, which also has a lot of dangerous properties compared to gasoline or especially diesel.

part of the reason why lithium is so hard to extinguish is exactly because it can reduce water to hydrogen and that can then burn as well if the temp is high enough and the mix is right (hydrogen is probably safer than lithium because its combustion ratio is a lot more fussy).

Weird how your "science" argument boils down to a high school chemistry experiment, but you have no explanation of how millions of EVs are not spontaniously combusting all the time. It's almost like the engineers understand chemistry and have mitigated these risks.

It's also peculiar that you seem to think the lithium batteries in hybrids are somehow safe and those same batteries in electric cars are simultaneously extremely dangerous.

Have fun not changing your mind based on the evidence. Ciao.

there's just no need for them, they aren't reducing the carbon output because they have more steps of transformation of energy that each one has less efficiency than a modern diesel engine.

size of the battery matters a lot, because the amount of time it's gonna burn for increases at least linearly with mass. once all the lithium oxide is formed it's not going to be dangerous any more.

and besides all that, we have the lowest amount of CO2 in the atmosphere we have measured in ice cores dating back thousands and thousands of years.

It's not that rare of a thing for Teslas to spontaniously combust.

Shit car self immolates - great result for everyone 🤷‍♂️

If you think teslas are good/quality products because forbes says so you have either never owned one or have done no work on a car yourself to compare.

EVs are practical only for city dwellers as you need a centralized infra for the virtue signalling to work. In comparison, trucks/SUVs are big enough to carry secondary fuel systems (LPG) which can double their range, or more. If you think autonomy is not a good enough reason, the green cult's magic has successfully worked on you. Coal, nuclear, etc - whatever your source of electricity, you can't carry around with you "more fuel." Some innovation. Doing repairs yourself is also important, or at least should be for self-sovereign minded folk.

"They produce heat" - an ideal by-product of ICEs for harsher climate/weather, which is most of the world. Far better than having to sacrifice autonomy/range for basic comforts/survivability.

I wouldn't mind electrical drives as a third system in a truck, though - the benefits in off-road environments, towing and similar would be appreciated. It's the "100% electrical" that's the deal breaker for functional vehicles.

LPG and CNG are the cleanest combustable fuels, if people wanted to clean up their cities they could have done it a long time ago. Selling fake green tech for made-up global problems is just a scam. And that's generous as we are not talking about the biggest issues with EVs and smart cars - the fact they will be essential in the prison-grid, dystopian wet dream of western parasites.

LPG & CNG are not as energy dense, the pressure required presesnts problems, & they produce lots more water vapor which IS actually a greenhouse gas. If not captured in some way every car producing like 12x the water vapor would transform cities into foggy moldy jungles.

I doubt it could get as bad - people have been heating their homes with natural gas for quite some time.

How many articles & "studies" are there claiming pharma's jabs work & should be required? The captured corp media reports one way on whatever the govt subsidizes. There are still radio & tv commercials & news segments urging people to get vaccinated for covid.

The govt subsidies for wheat & sugar reshaped the entire dietary guidelines for 100 years.

I didn't say anything about crash test safety.

The self driving doesn't bother me so much as the centralized control of everything. If it was something locally controlled & easily disabled I wouldn't have much of an issue. It's the fact that someone can update the car without the consent of the driver, the fact that you can literally be locked in your car & delivered to the police, or you could be run into a tree with no way to prevent it if the right person decided you were a problem for them. But yes, it is a potential issue in most modern cars. I remember reading about a reporter who died because his Mercedes drove off the road & ran him into a tree.

I have no problem with electric motors generally, the power & torque & regenerative braking are all great things. But the batteries are heavy, expensive, dangerous, & completely unrelaible in extreme conditions.

Oh, I see. You discard all the scientific evidence that doesn't support your views on everything.

I guess since you still haven't provided any evidence to support any of your views, maybe you just don't believe in the scientific method.

That's absolutely your right and I'll defend it for you. I will not, however, listen to you blather on. Ciao.